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Originally Posted by IROC
Proof of one answered prayer would be phenomenal. One answered prayer is all it would take. It would not be "unsettling", though. I don't think nonbelievers fear that some sort of god exists - there just is no evidence that one does.
I have always found it interesting that the only prayers that god "answers" are the ones that are statistically liable to occur anyway. He never answers prayers for things we know to be impossible. Interesting.
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I can think of a dozen individuals off the top of my head who prayed for a successful outcome to a surgery that had no chance of being successfull and got it.
I can tell you for a fact that if you have people praying for you, you do better in a bad medical situation. You can attribute that to whatever you like, positive karma, the spaghetti monster, Oprah but it does not change what I have seen. Don't particularly care if anyone believes this or not, seen it more times than I could count.
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Originally Posted by The Gaijin
There were many Founding Fathers - and all involved very much a product of their time. Washington and Jefferson had writings on the subject - but it was a big group and 200+ years later it is not easy to tell what was in the hearts of each of these men.
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sure it is, ask anyone, and they will tell you just exactly what they intended when they were jotting this down.