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Originally Posted by NICKG
Kang..it is more an attitude. If you feel that you will make it, i would think that the body will fight harder than if you just accept it.
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I’m sure a positive attitude helps. But remember, you can have a positive attitude without prayer, just like you can have a negative attitude even with prayer, and the other way around for both, as well. Prayer might help some achieve a positive attitude, but others can achieve it without prayer, and some who pray do not achieve a positive attitude.
Tobra is focusing on a dozen or so of his own patients that he believes prayer helped. There are four cases for the outcome of low probability surgery:
1) Patients that pray and have success
2) Patients that pray and do not have success
3) Patients that do not pray and have success
4) Patients that do not pray and do not have success
He is focusing on group 1, while conveniently ignoring or forgetting or in denial of groups 2, 3, and 4. To show that prayer itself has an effect (and rule out positive attitude achieved by other means), you’d have to show a statistical difference between the groups that pray and the groups that do not. This has never been shown.