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Originally Posted by varmint
i run into this all the time. shame really, i love arguing politics. and having a good fight is sort of a turn on. but most liberal women, and liberals in general, can't argue. they just get offended if you contradict them.
she'll confine her dating to guys with gore 04 stickers on their hybrids, but quietly complain to her girlfriends that all the men in her life are wimps. and never make a connection between the two things.
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+1 - I love a good debate. I also enjoy fencing with people I
agree with, because it's that exercise that hones my positions and shows me the strengths/weaknesses of my and others' arguments.
My personal experience is that most on the Left are simply not equipped for forensic challenge. Not only do they get frustrated (and, often, LOUD!) which further tongue-ties them, but their trembling incoherence is synergized by deeply personal umbrage at the destruction of the shibboleth
du jour. They take it so
personally.
Then they try to get personal, which is a hoot! Just some random "I heard this witty cutting thing somewhere, so it will zing you" feebleness. It is truly awesome when somebody who doesn't know me and is being crushed starts with the "dumb" or "lay-person" or the "well, you're just _________".
This is not to say that it's ALL people on the Left, or that moderates and righties are uniquely equipped for debate; however, most big-picture Leftist positions (and politicians) are
sold to people -- the marketing analogy in an earlier post is very apt, IMHO -- and do not stand up to scrutiny. MSM thinks we're
stupid and the message they sell and the messages they propagandize are not to be parsed, but swallowed whole. Simply look at the unquestioning, uncritical delivery of Obamessiah's message and its fawning evangelization to the masses.
Another almost universal tactic is the topic-changement gambit. Once cornered on Topic X, you can actually
see the panic, and then the "well what about (unrelated) Topic Y?!?!" ploy (and they obviously know as much about Topic Y as Topic X ... but desperation has set in). My usual response is a slight smirk and "oh, I'd be happy to talk about Topic Y, but how about we don't run away from Topic X just yet. Let's put a bookmark (bunny fingers quotes) on Topic Y and resolve Topic X first." Continued smirk.
Another flavor of this "tactic" is "You are Conservative Evil Incarnate" approach, a/k/a the "I can't defend my position, so I'll attack some random Conservative position (or, more likely, a caricature thereof) as though you've espoused it". If we're talking specifically about Lefty Position A, which they have espoused and defended, when that gleam of panic strikes, I get Conservative Position A thrown in my face. Now, just to let facts clutter this up for a second, I haven't espoused Conservative Position A, nor do I believe or see much merit in Conservative Position A. I'll usually ask "are you looking for your keys over here because the light's better?"
Add to this calculus the likelihood that, the hotter the girl, the more deference/ intellectual slack she's received from
everyone in her life.
I think 9dreizing saved himself, and the benighted twist, a lot of frustration. No naked, sweaty squirt has been worth my pandering to some dumb broad.
If she had an
informed position on any of the issues, then you can agree to disagree, or even have fun with your differences. Her position was specifically, and almost willfully unenlightened. If you're not specifically informed about politics, treat it like surgery, private aviation or big-game hunting: don't try to "dabble" in it.
JP