[charleskieffner]

250gr black moly sierra BTHP .338 win mag puts an elk on its ass. one shot-one kill.

crap wadcutters for the range and 147gr for protection. lots of cop/badguy articles about lack of 9mm stopping power hence why i carry a .45 with 240gr federal hydrashoks same as cops here(CCW class lesson carry same as cops).

but on other side of coin i can group a 9mm a hell of alot better (no matter what grain or mfg) than i can ANY .45! and with my hk vp70z that has 19 rds capacity.......well if you or anyone can get up after 19 rounds..........YOU ARE TRULY IMMORTAL AND I WILL WORSHIP THE GROUND YOU WALK ON! and in that case you can probably also walk on water!!!!

lots of reload 9mms out there. cheaper than dirt comes to mind. can get quite a few reloads out of an 9mm case before it expands beyond SAMMI SPECS!