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Originally Posted by Rick Lee
Wrong. They place a premium on requisite intent. If you kill someone with no intent, you won't get charged with murder. Sure, they may throw that charge at you to get you to plead to a lesser one. But killing someone by accident is not murder. It's just about impossible to kill two people with a gun by accident. One maybe, not two. And there's no question whatsoever that the church nut intended to kill people. He left his house with his gun and was on a mission to kill. I don't know how you get any more clear cut a case of premeditated murder than that. Did he know the politics of the individuals he shot? Did he go after people with CA plats on their cars and assume they were liberals? Doesn't matter. He intended to kill complete strangers and took several deliberate steps before doing so. Murder one, period.
Go ahead, Shaun. Just come out and say some people's lives are more important than others and that's why we have hate crimes laws. Liberals love to view people as groups and not individuals.
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The one thing that really bothers me about the way you argue Rick is that you reply with your own agenda, you don't reply to the post at hand and it makes debating with you tiresome. Politicians do this. First, part of intent is WHY. From there you go off on tangents, and you mix terminology dissolving your argument into nothingness about whether or not you can kill 2 people accidentally. But starting here:
"If you kill someone with no intent, you won't get charged with murder."
there is so much wrong with this statement, that you can't argue against it. and it only gets worse.
Intent in law is the planning and desire to perform an act, to fail to do so (i.e. an omission) or to achieve a state of affairs. Our justice system cares WHY people do things. it helps to set the initial charge and ultimately the punishment.
Why did the driver hit the bicyclist: he was drunk
Why did man 1 kill man 2: Man 2 threatened man 1; self-defense
Why did the woman drown her children: she is mentally ill
Why did the boy shoot and kill his friend: he didn't know the gun was loaded
All of these people above will be charged, or not charged, differently in the death of another person.
WHY is important in our justice system. Please accept that as fact given my examples above.