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btdt. imho young kids should not be taken to a "nice" place unless they are incredibly well behaved. Sorry parents...if you want to eat at an upscale place, get a sitter.
At other places, I was on my son like a hawk. If he got anywhere near being loud or annoying I took him outside. If he persisted, we left - whether we had eaten or not. I'm sorry, but if my kid decides to throw a fit I'm not going to let it ruin anyone else's evening. Restaurants are *optional* environments - parents do not have to take their kids there. There are other places to eat and other ways to do meals.
I have more sympathy on planes, etc - ie places where there really isn't a good way to avoid the situation.
And I have raised a very "active" son to the age of going-on-12 with this philosophy. I don't think I've ruined very many other's meals...but I've ruined plenty of my own.
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