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Boeing had a superior design? Are you serious? They didn't even fly their design -- Strictly paper. Sure the 767 flys, but that isn't the system. The whole history of this procurement has been pretty sad. Boeing was once a great company, not so any more. Their space systems folks have not done us proud.

They are flying something pretty close to it.

ST. LOUIS, Feb. 19, 2008 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today delivered the first Japan KC-767 Tanker to the Itochu Corp., for Japan's Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF). It is the first aerial refueling aircraft in Japan's history.

"The KC-767 will have an immediate impact and significantly increase Japan's capabilities," said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO of Boeing Integrated Defense Systems. "This delivery also confirms Boeing's standing as the world's leading provider of aerial refueling tankers and continues our company's proud 75-year history of producing tankers."

The 12-hour non-stop flight to Gifu, Japan, near Nagoya, originated in Wichita, Kan., near Boeing's tanker modification center, following a final review by Japan Ministry of Defense (MoD) Air Staff. Itochu will deliver the KC-767 Tanker to the MoD following in-country acceptance processes.

Japan has ordered four convertible freighter 767s, providing flexibility in carrying cargo or passengers while maintaining its primary role as an aerial refueling tanker. It features Boeing's advanced aerial refueling boom and Remote Aerial Refueling Operator (RARO II) system. Boeing will deliver the second Japan tanker immediately following acceptance of this first Japan delivery.

Additionally, Boeing is building four tankers for Italy with delivery of the first two aircraft planned in 2008. The KC-767 also is Boeing's offering in the U.S. Air Force's KC-X competition for its next-generation tanker aircraft. Since the 1930s, Boeing has built and delivered more than 2,000 tankers that feature the world's most advanced aerial refueling method with the highest fuel transfer rate available.
Pretty close but still a different beast than the one being proposed, this mates the fuselage of one version with the wings of another and a bespoke fuel system. The fuselage/ wing mix in not new in this sector...just this particular mix has not been done before and the fuel system again for a tanker is not a surprising issue.

On the other hand the NG/EADS proposal does have a much closer link to the in- service KC-330 (RAAF).
The main difference in the NG bid is that the USAF versions would be based on the freighter fuselage rather than the pax one (so no windows plus load floor as built) which has been converted to freighter spec. The fuel system is the same (including the boom).

Both potential tankers offer a massive increase in capability over the existing 135s...and are knocking on the 10s door.

But its a shame that the users will be obliged to continue using maintenace intensive airframes at a time of high tempo operations in challenging conditions when there are alternatives avaliable..
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