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Originally Posted by m21sniper View Post

How could you hold that and mistake it for the feel of holding a 50% heavier glock with a different grip shape and balance? Trained professionals are intimately familiar with their gear, there is no way a trained professional could mistake grabbing a tazer for a fully loaded glock, not even in the pitch dark. What's more, your finger should NEVER be on the trigger until the moment you're ready to fire. EVER. Why was his finger on the trigger? A trigger that is shaped very differently than the safe-action trigger on the Glock series pistols, which are in fact entirely distinctive in feel, and INSTANTLY recognizable as being a glock?

This may come as a surprise to you, but i could field strip and reassamble an M-16A2 rifle blindfolded in mere seconds when i was in the infantry.

You could have handed me literally any other weapon on earth -any- and i would have known it was not an M-16A2. Instantly. Just like any infantryman could. While blindfolded.

An A-1 didn't have the finger groove on the grip, and was a good deal lighter, and a CAR-15A2, while it has the finger groove it is, again, much lighter. Any other rifle type would be instantly recognizable as not being an M-16. Likewise, a .308 AR with the an A2 finger groove grip would be immediately noticeable because of the difference in weight.

Now i own a S&W 3rd gen double stack 9mm semi auto pistol. You could hand me any other pistol on earth (glock, sig, HK, even a single stack 3rd gen S&W, or an earlier gen double stack S&W auto), and i would know instantly that it was not a 9mm Smith & Wesson 3rd generation double stack auto. I can disassemble and reassemble it with total confidence even blindfolded. If you gave me a tazer i would instantly know that it's not my pistol. Instantly.

Professionals are intimately familiar with their gear.

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Wow. I'm impressed.

So are you now going to tell me there has never been an accidental discharge of a firearm in the military that ended up killing a soldier?

Or are you going to tell me that there has never been any "friendly fire" deaths in the military in conflict situations since people like you, who are such "professionals" and are so well trained, are incapable of making a mistake, even when in a high-stress situation?

Face it, military and police work is a dangerous, imprecise business -- training is done (I doubt training was real intense for the BART force) for efficiency and safety, but in sh***y situations, accidents are prone to happen. And sometimes those accidents will result in deaths.

You are expecting a level of precision and training probably not available for day-to-day police work (most municipalities simply cannot afford it). We end up with "Barney Fife" type law enforcement officers and sometimes terrible accidents such as seen in that video.

You can either "jump all over" the officer in this situation and scream about how "incompetent" he is, or you can recognize and accept the reality: We do not live in a perfect world.

I'd be willing to bet that if we took "trained" police officers and "trained" soldiers, put them in a high-stress situation, and had them grab the grip of a 20-oz Taser, or a 30-oz Glock, then very quickly identify which tool they were holding, we'd find a significant percentage would initially mis-identify what they grabbed.

It wouldn't mean that all the police and soldiers who would made such a mistake were "incompetent," or "unfit" to do the tough jobs they do; it would just be a demonstration of the imperfect world we live in.
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