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Originally Posted by RPKESQ
I suggest you learn before speaking. Just because I work in France does not mean I am any less knowledgeable or less of an American. Or did not serve.
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You served? In the military? The US military? What was your branch and MOS?
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Originally Posted by Dottore
No. And hunting for meat or need is one thing. Hunting for sport—particularly an animal as majestic and scarce as a large Grizzly—is to my way of thinking obscene.
But I realize I won't persuade you of this, and that the gun culture trumps all in your neck of the woods.
As I mentioned in the wildlife photography thread, I recently met a man who lives with these animals for weeks at a time and photographs them. I attach a couple of pics below.
If you ask me who is the more evolved human being—those two hunters in the photograph who kill these animals for sport, or the person who took the photos below—well, I think you know what my answer will be.
We're all on this planet together. And everything is connected.
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Do a google on "Grizzly man."
"'I will protect these bears with my last breath', Treadwell says. After he and Amie become the first and only people to be killed by bears in the park, the bear that is guilty is shot dead. His watch, still ticking, is found on his severed arm."
Yeah, real effin smart. The idiot even managed to get his girlfriend EATEN alive too. I think anyone that works unarmed that close to wild animals is a
total moron.
There is audio on the internet of them both being eaten alive. Perhaps the bambiists among us should check it out. It might give you a new perspective on these "Grand and majestic animals."
They're only grand and majestic until they take that first bite out of your flesh...
That Sigfried fellow worked with Tigers for a long time too. I heard he had a little mishap...and i heard he don't look and talk so good no mo.
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Originally Posted by RPKESQ
Well you need a lesson on ballistics, thats for sure. Ask Jeff if you don't believe me.
Bullet placement can overcome most bullet constuction problems. Stupidity cannot.
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No one with any sense would
choose a .30-06 to hunt grizzly bears. Way underpowered for that task, as i think any professional hunter would agree.
Check this story relating a black bear hunt, which is tiny compared to a grizzly:
"Several years ago my daughter shot a big black bear at approx. 150yds with a .280 Remington. This big bear received another 280 slug and 2 shots from my .300 Ultra mag before the bear was stopped as it closed the distance to us."
http://www.bearbums.net/2008/08/14/bear-hunting-caliber-recommendation/
IOW, it was
charging them and took 4 shots to down. And that's just a "harmless" black bear.
Yeah....no sport at all.
A .300 ultra mag is vastly more powerful than a .30-06, by the way.
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Sumatra: Tiger eats illegal loggers
A Sumatran tiger mauled two illegal loggers to death in western
Indonesia,
bringing to five the number of people killed by the
critically endangered cats in less than a month, a conservationist
said today.
http://forestpolicy.posterous.com/sumatra-tiger-eats-illegal-log#ixzz0ALotMcST
Nope, big game animals definitely aren't dangerous at all...
Sharks, cats, bears, apes, wolves, whatever- wild animals may look cute, but even 'domesticated' ones who 'love you' WILL F you up bad for seemingly no reason at all.
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Originally Posted by Fishman7
Humans forget that humans are animals also.
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And animals kill for food and sport too.
Anyone ever seen a cat toy with a mouse until it was dead then just wander off and leave it there? I have, many times.