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Originally Posted by m21sniper
My Springfield was top notch quality for a production weapon. It saddens me to hear the newer ones aren't as good.
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most of you havent a clue what goes on in an actual mfg atmosphere, not cuz yer stoopid, but because it is difficult to get into just about all mfg facilitys. name the product. why industrial espionage. i had to sign more documents that i would not use divulge designs/blueprints/MOT(method of tooling) etc.
1st problemo. PA(purch agent) buys metal today from pennsylvania, next week because of savings he buys from california, next month he buys from japan. now if its an ISO 9001 or better facility paper follows rockwell hardness............usually but not always. so rockwell hardness changes are BAD JUJU for machining part, which changes ALOT!
next heat treating or plating can be different each day or week or month.
tooling can change in a heart beat because of costs.
coolant DOES GO RANCID! and must be changed be it oil or water soluable.
monkey boy machinist could be good/bad/average
program can be changed and ON AND ON AND ON!
and SPEEDS AND FEEDS CAN CHANGE because of tooling/rockwell blah blah.
more variables than you can imagine and ENOUGH to make ya want to cut yer wrists because TOOLING IS ALWAYS BLAMED FIRST FOR A CRASH OR BAD PARTS! ask me how i know?????
so when ya see all the variables and live with them work with them sleep with them its a damn wonder anything comes out exactly as per tolerance allowed on blueprint. and anyjuan with an iota of machine shop 101 will attest to this.
remember gun mfg liability is HUGE! POO does happen on mfg floors and thats why they call them RECALLS which the NRA does a damn good job of notifying people about as well as mfg's.
(1) job we did stainless steel .45 frames at ruger in prescott here for a seal team contract. the tolerances were killing us. they beat us to death. we finally overcame all of the problems with mfg. after signing documents that we would not divilge anything about these, and sent them back to SANDVICK in fairlawn , new jersey and had our gurus run them on our CNC drilling/milling them and finally got the MOT down perfect and tooling life was not compromised. thereby ruger could make a profit, tooling changes were not every 15min, and we made lots of parts for them.
deal with mfg MIL SPECS all yer life and it can KILL YOU!
now heres another lil tidbit of knowledge frog boy wont give you...............
your USGI issued lowest bid .45 or 9mm..............is SET UP LOOSE. ie. tolerances are LOOSE! why? just rattle a .45 back and forth and if you hear/feel any noise movement..............its probably a GI issue. WHY? cuz of dirt and crap getting in action and lack of field cleaning while getting SHOT AT! ie. it will shoot with mud and crap and sand and blood and guts and french fries and puke ALL OVER IT!
now try a TIGHT ASSED TOLERANCE RACE GUN with "FRENCHYS MIX AND MATCH PARTS" with blood and guts and sand and puke and mud and FRENCH FRIES all over it and WATCH IT JAM SO FAST IT WILL MAKE YER HEAD SPIN! and you will be DEAD!
frenchy YOU are so out of yer league on this topic ITS FREEKING PATHETIC!
go back to reading how monte did NOT win the war quickly. and leave gun mfg. to those of us who have DONE IT for YEARS! I MEAN FREEKING ALL OF MY ADULT LIFE since i was freeking 21!
"MIX AND MATCH PARTS" another reason french guns always land in the mud and dirt!
and for an added KICK TO FRENCHYS CROISSANTS..................i got my name on parts that are in space(NASA), ICBM missile nose cones, F-117 wing flap actuators, numerous F-18/15/ parts, nuke bomb triggers at project mercury(had secret clearance and visited all (3) horizontal test shot bores,white sands,los alamos(machined RADIATED PARTS),sandia labs, YPG yuma proving grounds, and more hot rotating military and commercial turbine parts than i care to remember let alone literally UMPTEEN MILLIONS of TRW AIRBAG TRIGGERS! and SCADS of military and commercial weapons mfgs. over the years let alone surgical machined parts.
yep all of them "MIXED AND MATCHED" parts, WHAT A JOKE!