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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey
You guys crack me up with the cost thing.
You think the box is overpriced because you can build or buy something cheaper.
If we were to believe you guys then there is no one else selling hardware in $1,000+ price range.
Base 15 in Apple laptop $1,699.
Base Alienware M15x $1,199 But wait, by the time it's configured up to the same spec as the base Mac the Alienware is now $1,799. Huh, same machine is more.
Base HP Tecra $1,099 configured close to but not quite the Mac specs now $1,663
Dell Precision M4400, started at $1,093 configured close to but not quite the Mac specs now, $1,869
Even starting with a $730 HP trying to get it up to the same spec as the base MAc gets you to $1,343.
Hmm, let's try Desktops
Base MacPro, $2,499
Dell T7500, started out at like $1,900 and all I did was equalize the processor and WTF the Dell is already at $3,230 without upgrading the RAM, HD, Video card to meet the Macs spec.
Yeah you guys are right. When you compare price AND spec the Apples are so way overpriced.
Yeah you can get a $500 PC but guess what? You bought a $500 PC.
And yeah you can build one but that's not realistic for 90% of the public.
And not everyone needs a $1,000+ machine either so just don't friggin buy one.
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I don't know what prices your looking at but for comparable specs mac's are overpriced.
base15 macbook pro at $1700
Configure - Apple Store (U.S.)
4gb of ram ddr3 1066mhz
2.53ghz Core2duo (it doesn't state what model though and there is other important factors in cpu power besides clock speed)
nVidia 9400m
250gb hdd 5400 rpm (lol only 5400)
Toshiba laptop - $1200
Newegg.com - TOSHIBA Qosmio X505-Q860 NoteBook Intel Core i5 430M(2.26GHz) 18.4" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M - Laptops / Notebooks
4gb 1066mhz ddr3 ram
2.26 i5 which would ruin that core2duo
500gb hdd 7200 rpm
nVidia gts 360m (which absolutely crushes a 9400m the full desktop 9400 is already a joke so i couldn't imagine a 9400m)
and an 18.4" display
Asus laptop - $1100
Newegg.com - ASUS G Series G51Vx-X3A NoteBook Intel Core 2 Duo P8700(2.53GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory 320GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M - Laptops / Notebooks
4gb 800mhz ddr2 ram
2.53 ghz core2duo P8700 probably the same as the macbook
320gb hdd 7200 rpm
gtx260m (another gfx card that would dominate the 9400m)
slightly slower ram speed but the gfx card more than makes up for a 200mhz deficiency which provides minimal performance gains.
two quick glances from newegg
as for that mac pro I don't even know where to begin, it seems like the bastard child of a file share server and a normal desktop, optional raid controller, optional fibre channel, Xenon cpu (which is damn nice don't get me wrong but your standard user won't come anywhere close to needing Xenon computing power so it's a waste). Standard only 3gb of ram really? What's with the gt120.... what garbage and for $200 more you can get a 4870! (a good card but that's overpriced as 4870's go for 150-175)
so for $2500
2.66ghz Quad core Xenon
3gb of DDr3 1066 ram
640gb 7200rpm hdd
nVidia Gt120
my home computer (which i Built and I use for gaming) for $380
3.0Ghz Athlon 64x2 (Xenon would crush it if it could actually be used to it's potential but it's a pretty nice cpu)
4gb DDr2 800mhz Gskill pi black low latency (very fast high quality ram not generic oem part)
160gb 7200rpm hdd (got me beat there but hdd's are very cheap and very easy to upgrade/add)
Radeon Hd4890 (this thing would laugh at he gt120 and is faster than a 4870 which is $200 more on the mac pro)
The mac pro also does not specify it's power supply so that's another : ( in my book.
That dell T7500 you were trying to compare the mac pro to is a terrible comparison (i'm no fan of dell myself) but that's a workstation for autocad and that kind of software, notice the gfx cards that come on it standard and the options availible, workstation cards are always expensive. The T7500 also comes with a 3year warranty with Onsite assistance, that's another $250 for the Mac pro and without onsite assistance
In general I'm not a fan of big brand desktops as they are all pretty over priced, I find that mac's tend to be the biggest abusers for what they are though, intel machines with a fancy case. Those numbers are facts not just abstract saying oh i configured them and they looked like this and cost this much, not providing any links or anything.
Let me just state that I am not anti-mac i just see them and think man i build it or buy it cheaper. Yes I have used them and on occasion a coworker brings in a mac and asks me to support it (which I haphazardly attempt lol) If you like mac good for you, if you like pc cool too. Macs are just more expensive than a comparable pc.