[enzo1]

bought steel bike, took it home, rode 10 miles for 7 days , took back"let mr try that CF" NEVER looked back, I have lots of potholes & rough stuff as well as smooth, kid i know wanted to try it out..... since it has no kickstand he dropped it on a concrete curb & nicked it, took to bike store and they used a coin ( quarter) , ran it down the chainstay tapping it and feeling or listening for a difference, it hadn't gotten into the actual fiber of the CF only the paint, this may sound funny but it's kinda like glass also unless you doit yourself, sending it off is hassle and $$ rocks and gravel would get paint on top(several coats) before CF