[Porschephd]

Gang,
Look at it this way. If we can pull off this group buy and get them down to 250.00 then look at the gains compared to say a computer chip. In the real work unless you have a turbo, chips yield very little gain compared to real HP. 2k for a MAF kit, 500 for a standard chip. The PF pulled on average for both Michael and I 13HP. I will be happy to provide either dyno. The point of Todd's request it to revisit what has been disputed. If the results show a gain of any sorts there are many of us that want the smaller box to clean up the engine and the added HP is a bonus. It is just another form of cleaning the car up. No different from your body kit Brian. In all their are those of us that will squeeze every bit of HP we can. While this is not as cool as a set of headers it serves a purpose and works within reason.