[adrian jaye]

Originally posted by Milu
Why Adrian, what a charming reply!

Thank you or was that a [charming] ??

However, the logic of your original proposition did not hold water.

disagree

When you could not continue your argument on the basis of reason you jumped to an argument based on faith.

nope I did'nt I said
"I believe God is 'really there,' of course, because he has revealed himself to all men *generally* by creation and providence, that is to say, all men already have an awareness of God (sensus deitatis) by virtue of his divine image within them and his revelation of himself both in nature and in his providential dealings with his world, *propositionally* in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, *personally* in his Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and *savingly* through the work of his Word and Spirit..."

That's not a statement of faith.

I also said "I" don't need it prooved to "me" cos too much "isht" has happened for it to be otherwise, i.e. from my own observation's. Though [and being human], "proof" would be nice but is not entirely necessary.


I am happy that your beliefs are a source of joy, comfort and satisfaction to you.

kewl, everyday is another step I take. Somtimes backwards, somtiumes forwards and somtimes I just sit and wait.

If the mental cogitations you are posting amplify these feelings I am sure I am only pleased for you.

Not necessarily so but I'm am glad that your pleased for me. That really means a lot to me, honest, it really does.

No seriously, I'm not taking the piss or trying to be sarcastic I am.

I respect peoples religious and philosophical beliefs whether based on reason or faith. I confess I do have a problem when iffy reasoning is the start point and then that is abandonned in favour of blind faith.

yep,yep,yep,yep you said earlier.

If faith is enough to fuel your belief I can respect that,

Faith is a weird thing, sometimes you can have the utmost faith your car will start and other times it beggers belief that it won't !

Don't think anyone in history has ever had 100% faith a 100% of the time. Even Jesus lost heart a couple of times, maybe for just a few seconds but he did, thats probably 98% out of 98%, I doubt anyone can mangfe any better than 10% / 10%.

Be nice in "thoes" times to have some proof

I CANNOT RESPECT THE USE OF IFFY REASONING AND THEN WHEN THAT FAILS THE USE OF BLIND FAITH TO ARGUE THAT YOU ARE RIGHT.

I did'nt, I gave you 2 reasons both sides of the fence.

I should know better than to discuss or debate religion or politics or to waste time arguing with children, fanatics, madmen and idiots.

Time and tide waits for no man, except maybe for the guy who waded out onto a sandbank and didnt notice it coming in, I don't think he was any of the above.

So go with God and may your God go with you.

There is only one God.

Which as we both agree is prooved he exist's, I will

Maybe it's not so important that "We" believe in God but more important wether God believes in "Us".

peacz