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The first is a Belgium trade musket. These were inexpensive cap and ball smooth-bore muskets made for the American and other colonial markets.
The second looks to be the same type, but of course without manufacturer's marks I am unable to identify the maker.
Huge numbers of these types of arms were made and made as inexpensively as possible. Since America never had a Proof House the European manufacturing countries of England and Belgium flooded the American market with these low quality arms at great profit.
Value of 1st is about $200 -$400, 2nd is about $150 to $250, if you sell them as decoration to the right group.
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