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Thank you gents, I didn't know the VW has such reputation for unreliability...hmmm, they are the most expensive of what I saw as well. I must say, I like most German cars seats though, and although I didn't wheel in one yet, the Golf is supposedly a nice drive. I own two Land Cruisers (one work vehicle, and one family trip car) and have had many Toyota's over my driving career. I drove the Focus first, and I have to say, it kind of set the bench mark high for the Matrix to overcome as a driving "experience". Four wheel drive (the Subie) is nice but perhaps more money and complexity than I need.....and in Canada (in the past) I've never seen one for sale at anything close to 18k,...but maybe I should investigate. Considering the two LC's that are in the house anyway I put the four wheel drive issue as a fairly low priority. The suggestions of the smaller cars (the fit...etc) is certainly on the table but I was considering the long term, (namely phasing out one Cruiser) and using the new car as the reasonable, economical, trip car....that is,when the Porsche is not appropriate.Thanks
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