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Originally Posted by widebody911
Hell, that close, I could have shot him.
So this is a death sentence? Was this guy such a threat as to necessitate such an operation? No.
Suspect didn't advance on schidt. There was 5 seconds between the door being broken in and getting shot.
No. It could also mean he was the most politically-savvy or well-connected.
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There's no video of that shooting - it's the cops' word against the dead guy; if there hadn't been video of this one, we'd be reading a story of a meth-crazed lunatic with an exotic weapon trying to kill some heroic cops. There's lots of cases where the story doesn't match the video, particularly when the cops aren't aware of the video. It's really hard to concoct a good story with video evidence to the contrary, which is why there's such a huge crackdown on citizens recording cops.
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Hell, that close, I could have shot him.
In Law Enforcement "jargon", "good shooting" means clean, or justified shooting. It has nothing to do with accuracy.
In this incident, Golf Club Guy's decision to "come out swinging" came with a cost.
So this is a death sentence? Was this guy such a threat as to necessitate such an operation? No.
Yes, it turned into a death sentence.
That night you were not the one with the "juice" to make that call.
Suspect didn't advance on schidt. There was 5 seconds between the door being broken in and getting shot.
I must not have watched the same video that you watched. I saw Golf Club Boy come into the room holding a long metal object in his hands in such a manner as is commonly used by subjects whom are prepared to use the long metal object as a weapon with which to strike someone/something.
5 seconds. So Golf Club Boy used 4 seconds to flush the rest of the dope down the toilet and the remaining second to attack the police. Stupid Cops shouldn't have wasted so much time making entry. Better luck next time. Maybe they'll turn off the water at the street and hope that there isn't enough water in the toilet to complete the flush.
No. It could also mean he was the most politically-savvy or well-connected.
You mean like if your the "mayor's nephew" you are picked to be the point man, first through the door???? I'm obviously to stupid to understand your point. Sorry about that.
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Very relevant. Some idiots posting on this board think that the guys making the decisions where and when to serve High Risk Night Time Warrants are the same guys who actually enter the structures and carry out the service. And I thought that I was the one who is stupid.
There's no video of that shooting - it's the cops' word against the dead guy; if there hadn't been video of this one, we'd be reading a story of a meth-crazed lunatic with an exotic weapon trying to kill some heroic cops. There's lots of cases where the story doesn't match the video, particularly when the cops aren't aware of the video. It's really hard to concoct a good story with video evidence to the contrary, which is why there's such a huge crackdown on citizens recording cops.
The push to video LE events/incidents is coming from inside LE, not outside of LE. Citizen complaints of misconduct against the police are easier to refute if there is audio/video evidence of the event.
Further, city attorneys and county attorneys are pushing for more and more technology. Believe it or not, the more audio/video that exists documenting critical (and even not so critical) incidents, the easier and CHEAPER it is to defend the city against lawsuits like the one that Golf Club Boy's family will file against the county who employed these officers.
Do you think that cities and counties would pay for this stuff (technology) if they didn't think that in the long run, it was more cost effective?
For years and years, smart cops would record contacts with citizens with cheap little recorders and then save the tapes. When somebody WITH A JOB made a misconduct complaint against them, they would produce the tape during the internal affairs interview, indisputably invalidate the complaint ( "and then the cop called me a N, blah blah blah"). The cop would get a copy of the complaint which was signed by the citizen and march over to the court house and file a small claims suit against the citizen. ALOT of guys won a few thousand dollars on these small claims cases. The best one that I remember at Long Beach PD was a registered nurse who was arrested for drunk driving and accused the officer of raping her on the way to jail.
Unfortunately, the 9th circuit court of appeals eventually put an end to it, because they reasoned that the threat of being sued by the police might cause a person with a LEGITIMATE complaint to remain silent.
If the issue is ever re-opened and is heard by the Supreme Court of the United States, I hope that they overturn the 9th Circuits decision and we can again "Get Paid!" when citizens file false complaints against us.
I personally have two racial profiling complaints (both from my black brothers) that were completely invalidated by patrol car audio/video. One of them is from a television evangelist.
The other is from a black cop who was fired for misconduct.