[cairns]

When I buy new I spec the car I want and send that to local dealers asking for their price. Works great. You'll get a few who won't play ball (frequently calling back after you've already bought the car) but I've gotten excellent prices and don't even have to leave the house. The last car was delivered on a flatbed and the paperwork was done in our kitchen.

The last used car I bought was priced very fairly (the Seller was leaving the country) and I didn't really have to negotiate- I was afraid somebody else would get it first. I had the seller do a PPI for me at a place I picked, I flew to Texas to look at the car with the check in hand and drove home.

I would never walk in a dealership and let them put me at their mercy- haggling over a price, hear them say they're going back to their manager, sending you to the F&I guy etc. All BS. Went through it when I was young and naive, now I know better. If they want your business they will come to you- and they do.