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Originally Posted by Drisump
QUOTE=trekkor;5998375]No! 
It's some new fangled method that is for people that do not want to do it correctly.
You cannot rely on thinset for waterproofing.
I do not trust their product and will NEVER use it.
Trekkor I grant you that it's a new product ...at least here (North America) but it all makes [sense as opposed to many of the attempts I have ripped apart. The most effective method that we have used before was pouring a sloping concrete base and concrete curb with a rubber membrane under and up the walls (the hardi backer or other suitable wall board "flashing" the top of the membrane). In the Schlueter system, all of the joints or screw holes through the wall board are sealed with a tape and thinset.....and in theory could be primed with a Mapei product before tiling. To me, it seems about as bullet proof a job as I have seen.... but hell I'm open to new methods to improve quality. What do you do? I'm assuming you're in the business. I'm not a tiler, but I am a builder and we set up the tiler so all he has to do is tile. We are in the process right now of ripping out a one year old high end shower (that we didn't do) I have to say, it LOOKED great. Nice tiling job, beautiful custom shower enclosure (glass-glass corner) and very expensive Italian porcelain tile. The tile started lifting and I peeled off a couple to see how it was done....not good, wood curb, badly terminated membrane on curb, mastic adhesive, regular drywall behind the wall tiles.... the owner is choked to say the least. Pays to do it right the first time. So buddy, why so negative about the Schluter system?
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That's not the old method's fault. it the dumb careless contractor's fault. Maybe the home owner's if they didn't hire a contractor. Mastic over Sheetrock in the shower? They watch too much DIY on TV. If not wood curb, what else would you use?
I am a general contractor. More then 50% of our projects are Kitchens and baths. We design and build them. No off the shelves stuff, We build all of our own cabinets. Like you, I have to make sure my subs are doing everything my way, not just industry standard or min code requirement. Overbuilding is our middle name.
I am all for new technology and new products, but they need to perform in the long run and not fail. There are so many new ways to save time on tile jobs, especially in the shower, that it scares me. I have ripped apart many fine and great showers that were build the old fashion way and they hold up really well. No leaks. I am with Trek on this one. We only float both the pan and wall and nothing else. No purchase off the shelf pans. Never. Let the tile man float it out and finish the job. I am not saving much by doing everything but set the tiles. Many times, our floors are floated. I go to many of the local builder's shows, including the big ones at Vegas, and not too many new products on tiling have really caught my attention.