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Hey U R Gruppe men... are U gona stand there and let them dis the R Gruppe like that. Next thing U know U men are gona be sitin down when you take a leak. Drinkin your beer from a clean glass and smokin Dutch Master Panatalas that you bought down at the drugstore. No self respectin hard drivin Porsche man would let a bunch of pencil necked late model Porsche Drivers get away with statements like that... Next thing U know the pimply faced kid working down at Starbucks is gona be givin you a hard time when you order your caffe latte to go. and stoppin at the Full Service Island at the gas station and having to ask the attendant to wash your windshield and check your oil...with that fillup. So Pilgrims whats it gona be...are U gona show em your real Porsche drivin men or a bunch of ladies at a church social....... this is my Porsche and this is for fun.......