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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Have at it cowboy. I'm a big boy, I can take it.

Sounds a little "Brokeback Mountain", not that there's anything wrong with that. You can live your private life however you'd like.

Speaking of context I believe we were discussing how the Volt is in part thanks to the US government that purchased a bankrupt GM

That's why I asked you to re-read the thread. Because bankruptcy or bail-out wasn't brought up. Once. By anyone. Maybe YOU were discussing it, or misunderstood..... the rest of us were talking about the US Government providing grants and incentives to advance hydrogen technologies. THAT money.

......then created tax breaks to help sell the car because it makes little economic sense.

Really? The US Government created tax breaks to help sell the Volt? I disagree. The tax breaks were in place LONG before the Volt came to market. And several years before the GM bail-out. And last I checked, GM wasn't the only one that benefitted from the tax breaks. I do believe that Toyota has sold more cars that have qualified for alt-fuel/hybrid/EV tax breaks than any other manufacturer. More units, more dollars. And that's okay with me. It's not about any specific manufacturer.

And that was my point here. I didn't bring up GM to say they were better. I brought it up in defense of Tesla. However, Tesla doesn't have a ton of recent articles journaling the range claim of its product, but there are lots of them on the Volt EV. The Volt has met and/or exceeded its as-delivered range-claim in real-world driving conditions. Some will see less, some will see more. Just like your own gas tank. Someone said the Veyron has a 325 mile range under ideal conditions, but it's only around 60 miles at full throttle. Drive your Volt (or Tesla, or Leaf, or....) like a race car and I'm sure you won't achieve the manufacturer's stated range.

I find it rather ironic that a non-Porsche enthusiast and car dealer that spends his time trolling for GM and looking for car location customers is speaking of "calling people out". Considering how you actively seek out customers on this site, are you a paid sponsor of Pelican Parts? Lets face it, "You know by now what I do. If you're interested, contact me." isn't in your signature line because you're some sort of secret agent.

So here's where it gets personal, eh? I've personally owned more Porsches than you, but that doesn't make me more or less an enthusiast. I can (and do) appreciate other brands too. You like whatever you own at the time. You used to defend BMW til death do you part, now you're pretty vocal against them. That's how it goes, you know. For me too. No manufacturer is absolved from a swing and a miss, nor do they deserve blind praise. Porsche and GM included. Things change.

I don't think I actively seek out customers here. They contact me. I've even helped you Matt, which is ironic. I get a few PMs a week here, and sell maybe 3 vehicles a year to Pelicans. In other words, I help about 50 Pelicans for every one that chooses to buy a car through me. Great business model, huh? But I enjoy helping Pelicans, so I'm happy to give free advice and data. I'm lucky enough to love what I do. I'm going to remove my signature though.

I've long been accused of being a shill for GM. Fair enough. I suppose when idiots on the Corvette or LS Tech forums start talking trash about Porsche and their owners I'm known as a Porsche apologist. Lately, it's all about politics. People who say they would avoid a good product because of their political beliefs are morons in my book, but then I'm apolitical.

In my opinion, PPOT has degenerated into PARF lite where the PARF participants come to carry over their hatred and ideology, albeit thinly veiled. It's no fun anymore. It's not about bringing the best of the brain trust together for the benefit of all. It now seems to be about bashing others who don't see the world like you do. I'm saddened by the spillover. It used to be a great place to 'hang out' with fellow enthusiasts.

Matt, you used to post here several times a day. Now, not so much. But I've noticed that you're not as friendly -- in general -- as you once were. Whatever the change, I hope things are well.