[targa911S]

well for BOTH of you I have dragged my share of drummers around all night too. that's when having a big sound helps, you just start leading everybody around. It's a PITA but it happens.

Yes, I know what you mean. I was born a bass player. I grew up in Cleveland Ohio, right across lake erie from Detroit. At night CKLW would go 100,000 watts and all that great Motown music would literally flood the AM band on your radio. James Jamerson was planted deep in my brain at an early age. I got my first guitar, a Stella six string, when I was 10. It took me about a week before I tuned the lower 4 strings down to play the deep parts. I had no idea what I was doing. Yeah it sounded like crap, slacky little strings. I got my first bass at 12, it was a Harmony H-22. Had a silver tone amp with a single 12" speaker, maybe 50 watts. I have not looked back since. I can play guitar as I learned that later, so I can "read" guitarist hands which helps a lot. Now you never want to "hear" me "play" guitar, it's pitiful really.