[VW@heart]

SuperSporty (Speeling errors will occur in this post, as the spell checker explodes when i use it) here goes:
SS writes - "in some poorly thought out conversion"
I'm not sure if you are aware that home built Chevy to Porsche engine swaps have been winning races for about 30yrs. The history and research has been on going and I think it's rdy for prime time at my workshop. Also, I must be really inadiquate in my project management skills, ks911 looks to me to have a well thought out design, that seems to be doing everything he wants it to do and more (in his first post).

jryeson: While reading your posting I was laughing and saying "WHAT?" like that guy on American Pie after his buddy (@football practice?) was acting all soft towards the girl. "WHAT"... I was going to clip and paste your entire post into mine and add notes after each point of yours showing how dumb it looks in ks911's thread. Yea I think I will...

"1.Lets see, V-8 designed in the 20s by Ford
POrsche flat 6 in the early 60s designed from the flat 8 race engine in formula 1 cars- a race engine" First off, the comparison is a new custom made Chev with aftermarket heads, pistons, cam, intake, carb, etc etc. as compared to a 20 yo aircooled flat 6 or maybe even a 10 yo flat 6. If you remember ks91l never compared the technology, just the OVERALL performance and FUN factor of his well done conversion. 1920s FORD! what?

2.A flat 6 offers a low center of gravity and more freedom in body styling with added aerodynamic possibilities along with superior dynamic balance. I think you missed the first hand apples to apples OVERALL driving experience ks911 posted. Yes the wieght distibution is lower, the overall perf is....well should I say, the practical application or proof is in the pudding. Are we taking notes on ks911's Indy car project? Aerodynamics! what?

3.V-8 5 main bearings vs Porsche flat 6- 8
Yes, and most don't know it, the V-8 has alot vibrations from crank flex that effect its overall hp output. Yes the effect is more than a 911 engine, but please will someone tell me how this means anything in relation to a steet car or even a weekend warrior? 5 vs 8 bearings! what?

4.V-8 single overhead cam push rod engine vs double overhead cam for 911 F6. Yea and it sure does suck for those 100,000 cars when Chevy's TOTALLY redesigned 2001 LS6 single cammed engine kicks their as#....but I'm getting off track. Single vs two cams! what?

5.V-8 hard cornering oil starvation -solution deep oil pan, Porsche F6 dry sump enables lubrication at high G levels along with no oil pan needed provides lower center of gravity with less power loss due to crank shaft oil spashing. Chevy dry sumps have been around since before I wore diapers, but most stick with a -low dollar off-the garage floor-welded by Ed-wide on the side- shallow pan for clearance and stopped sucking oil 10 years ago. When your driving past your compitition at 4,500 rpm (knowing you have another 2,000 left) and thier oil free crank is almost at 7,000 (Chev, Porchse, Ford, Subaru makes no dif) it's dificult see the advantage of adding a chevy dry sump anyway. Power loss due to oil on the bottom end! what?

1-6 A post that does have good facts in it and great for a MotorTrend article, but its Techno babble. No relation to ks911's posting or most of the well planned engine swaps for that matter.

You guys seem to be giving this the O'le College Try!? How about helping me out, when you are posting tech stuff, post accurate information as it relates the start of this thread and the facts provided along the way. Everyone agrees a poor swap in any config or vehicle is gonna have serious problems, I missed what that has to do with this thread.

Brainiac: Come on Oil leak hahaha? If you stick a 5.00 gasket under a 2.00 piece of sheet metal in any engine it WILL (more-often-than-not) leak oil before a 40.00 gasket. Yep, same o'l same o'l point here, 10 y e a r s ago quality aftermarket gaskets and perf valve covers for chevys stopped the oil spots on most of the garage floors that cared about it enough to do it right. Let stick to Apples to Apples comparisons, not someone's pickup truck or over cammed 1968 camaro VS what ever they choose. As every other human, if available I use quality aftermarket parts to solve any inherent problems that NEED to be addressed in my engine builds or any project for that matter.

Geez lets get some solid points to ponder.

Just about every counterpoint after ks911's first or secound post had been retro babble, based mostly on old factory stock Chevys and word of mouth about poor quality engine swaps.

ks911 has put together a good engine swap using dozens of current tech parts. It's also interesting to note, he could be considered still in the R&D phase as this is a RELATIVELY new swap. I'm wondering how well tuned the car is going to be after he has a few more years into it.

From my first post - ks911 defeated 98% of the snipers from the start. Lets get some UP TO DATE FACTS posted (maybe mechanical?), I'm hoping to see a new issues with the swap.

Opinions are one thing, but lets stop the sniping and already covered babble. Let us PLEASE provide info for the grey matter; and on the other hand maybe, just maybe, if its a mechanical issue I can try to fix it during the build process.




[This message has been edited by VW@heart (edited 02-26-2001).]