[teenerted1]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

I've NEVER turned right on red at a camera controlled intersection. I just don't trust them - yes I've been honked at and yelled at but I don't give a damn, the impatient person behind me won't be the one going through the grief of trying to fight a ticket against a nameless accuser if the thing decides to snap me "running" the intersection (even stopping and then making a legal RH turn). At that point your only recourse would be to contest it and I always figured it'd go something like this:

Judge: So what happened
Me: I stopped, looked and then made a legal right hand turn
Judge: But the camera picture shows you running the light - how do I know for a fact that you stopped and properly followed the law requiring you to make a full stop prior to the stop line?
Me: I guess you don't
Judge: That's right, sorry but the only available evidence (photograph) compels me to uphold the fine - you can pay over there

See what I mean?

Frankly if enough people do that and get pissed off that traffic is snarling up at intersections because of these stupid things, maybe there will be enough of a public outcry to get them pulled out. I'm certainly not going to give Johnny Law an "easy one" to nail me with.

I'm REALLY happy that there are no traffic lights at all near where I live (I pass four stop signs on my way to the train station and that's it), although there's talk that they might start getting installed in Boston (where I work) and in several surrounding suburban communities. All the more reason I'll never give up my house in the country and stick to riding the trains. I don't drive into the city unless there's literally no other alternative. Too much B.S. to deal with between traffic, parking, idiot drivers and now crap like this - I don't miss urban living at all. It seemed like practically every single intersection had cameras back when I lived in SoCal and I don't miss them one bit. I hope they don't migrate eastward to cities on this coast but it's probably inevitable - all the crap seems to eventually leech its way from L.A. and infect the rest of the country.

you forgot
me: how do you know the camera is functioning properly? can i see the service record please?

out west you may turn right on red AFTER you come to a complete stop and the intersection is clear unless otherwise posted. right on red is treated the same as a stop sign

in washington they CANT photo the driver so they need to prove you were the one causing the infraction. without a witness that you can question they have no case.