[John Rogers]

I use 20:1 for everything except for round balls and it seems to work. The .451 bullets for both the Gibbs and the Tryon rifles use a lubed fiber wad over the powder which serves the same purpose as the milk carton wad in my .459 sized 45-70 BPCRs (Sharps and Rolling Blocks). I did make some round balls from 20:1 and they were a tad lighter and did shoot a couple inches higher at 50 yds but at 100 yds had dropped right back to where the pure lead balls hit.

I use 70 grains of Goex FFG in the muzzle loader Gibbs and Tryon out to 300 yards and if over that I use 90 grains. I use 68 in all the BPCRs out to 800 yards.