[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by kaisen

The new 4.3L has not yet had its SAE rating published, but word on the street is 315 hp and 320 lb-ft.....figure +/- 5

That makes it more powerful than any Ford 4.6L V8 ever offered in a pickup, more powerful than Toyota's 4.7L V8, more powerful than the outgoing GM 4.8L V8, and as powerful as the GM 5.3L or Ford 5.4L of just a few years ago.

So if 300hp is "adequate at best in a full size truck" then any Toyota Tundra older than 2007 with its 271 horsepower (and 313 lb-ft torque) 4.7L V8 must be truly unacceptable.

My 2000 Camaro SS with the 5.7L LS1 made "only" 320 hp (up from 305 hp in a lowly Z28)

Is there anything you won't attempt to argue about? Your Camaro had a curb weight of 3306 lbs, the early Tundra has a curb weight of 4800 lbs, and 5687 lb for my 2012 F150. The Camaro has 10.3 lb/hp, the early Tundra has 17.7 lb/hp, and my F150 (with its 360 HP V8) has 15.8 lb/hp. However, if the F150 only had 315 HP that would swing the pendulum to 18 lb/hp, worse than the early Tundra which was not known as a hot rod. Comparison of power numbers is POINTLESS without considering the weight of the vehicle.

Not only do I not think 300 HP is adequate in a full sized crew cab 4x4 truck, I voted with my wallet. For the same money I was comparing the 4.6L Crewmax Tunda (18 lb/hp) with the 5.0L SuperCrew F150. The 5.0 returned the same MPG but with 50 more HP, which was definitely noticeable when driving the trucks back to back. My wife does a lot of driving on 2-lane backroads with heavy semi traffic, roads where having plenty of power to pass provides an extra margin of safety. For a vehicle that my family would be riding in, it was a big deal to me. So for my needs I absolutely stand by my "adequate at best" statement, I would not consider a 300 HP V6 powered full-sized crew cab truck.