Thanks guys, I'm a union worker so I go sign the book and wait. I will try to get permission to salt and go work for someone else. I'm interested in working, not waiting around drinking coffee at the hall until unemployment runs out. Hall trash is what gives the rest of us a bad name. OTOH this would give me a chance to spend more time with the kids and get caught up on the never-ending list of projects. I also already have a couple applications pending at the Boeing plant to work as an electronics engineering tech, which is sort of an engineer's minion from what I have been told. It'll work out, I'm not stupid unskilled or lazy. No matter what I will land on my feet. I have to, two little girls think that their daddy can do anything and I would hate to let them down.