[trader220]

There are liars and cheats on both sides of every market for every good or service known to man since the beginning of time. Yes there are plenty of dishonest buyers too.

Floor broker steps into the futures pit and says come on guys I just need to buy these last 300 contracts at 72 can I get done at 72? So the market markets move off the offer of 75 and fill him at 72. 1 minute later the same floor broker is back and now he's bidding 74 for another 500 contracts. Should I be pissed and demand that we not trade with him anymore? Come on he said he only had 300 more to buy. I better get my share of sales at 74 since I filled him on some of the 72's. Lesson learned and the market moves on.

Good luck trying to project your own version of what you believe are acceptable ethics are on the rest of the world. You may want to consider that those are your own personal versions of those terms. Those who have others are not liars.

Making an argument that unless one believes exactly as you then they are advocating lying is tragically flawed argument. I haven't heard any one on this board stand up and advocate lying or pulling dirty tricks like the old saw dust garbage as a seller.