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Originally Posted by SilberUrS6
Really? You still haven't actually accepted the premise that sellers *should* act ethically.
Yes, buyers must protect themselves. But *why*? Because there are liars and cheats in the marketplace. If sellers were honest, why would it be necessary for buyers to be on the lookout for every damn scam out there?
And you really think that a potential 915 with sawdust is the only scam sellers do? It was an example. Here's a less-visible example: Sellers misrepresenting the number of owners, in order to create the false impression of long-time ownership on their part. A PPI is going to have a heck of a time sorting that one out. How about lying about oil consumption? For 3.2 cars, that might be the only outward sign of valve guide failure. Due diligence only goes so far. You can do your utmost to protect yourself against the liars and scammers, and still fail. Why should we not also hold those same liars' feet to the fire? Unless you benefit in some way from shading the truth, I'm not sure why you would object. And in asking for a link, I'm going to assume you don't believe that a lying seller has ever put one over on a buyer - even a knowledgeable, diligent buyer? Or were you just trying to change the subject?
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Who said that I haven't accepted that sellers should act ethically? Of course they should. But, if they don't, then the buyer shouldn't complain--ultimately the buyer is at fault. Caveat Emptor has been the law of the land for over 2000 years.
Number of owners: look at a CarFax. Oh, wait, that actually costs money. How about documentation? With no documentation of owners, why should I believe a claim on face value? And if anyone believes that a 30, 40 or 50 year old car has only had two owners, well, there's no cure for stupid is there? I saw a 1915 Ford T-model for sale. How many owners did that have? What difference would it make?
Oil consumption: check the exhaust. Any smoke coming out? There's your red flag. Or look at the motor housing. Is it only 'sweating' or leaking? Again, another red flag. Not sure if you are up to the task? Pay a mechanic to inspect the car! Wait, this costs even more money than a CarFax. . ..
What I'm saying is that for every 'scam' (your word) there is a counter-measure. Anyone who is too lazy or slothful to employ these counter-measures does not get my sympathy.
I've had a seller pull one over on me, but I didn't go blame him for 'lying' to me. I questioned how I could have missed the warning sign(s) and what I could do better/different in the future. Live and learn. Smarter and wiser.
And since you brought it up (not me!) I really would like to see the link from this forum where a Pelican finds sawdust in the transmission. Heck, I'll be generous, ANY Porsche part with sawdust in it, not just transmission.