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Personally I don't have a big issue with LN products. What I do dislike is the LN/Flat 6 marketing in this thread. You have no interest in fairly exploring other options because your intent is to crush the competition. The picture that you, Jake, posted of the lion with blood dripping from its jaws was taking it too far and hurts the credibility of your arguments as it's clear that you're just out for blood.

There's no marketing going on here.. We have DIRECTLY answered the questions that were posed to us and did so without BS. When Mike Focke asked us direct questions we replied with direct answers, not vaporware. We didn't dodge these critical questions like the other developers did, and continue to do. To date they have NEVER answered technical, development questions that were directed toward them, and they believe that is fine and acceptable.

I think you've realized this and removed the photo because of that.

Nope. and I don't give a damn what you or anyone else thinks. I didn't pull that picture, it's host more than likely changed the URL as I linked it from another site. Anyone who knows me knows that I don't play games, don't sugar coat things and basically don't give a damn. I didn't come here or do any of this to lose, it wasn't bred into me. Its that hard charging, fire pissing attitude that you may not like, but thats what gets things done. So be it, thats my breed and I may be the only one of that breed left on the planet, but I still don't give a damn. Shall I be even more direct? Trust that I can be and that I love nothing more than competition and a good old fashioned fight. Hell, the Lion with the bloody face was even a little understated! Did it scare you?

I also think that your choices to not sell the IMS Solution to the DIY installer and not to sell the IMS Retrofit ceramic bearing alone are poor marketing choices.

So in one sentence you blast us for "marketing techniques" and then in another you criticize us for not marketing it enough or to a certain group of people? Make your mind up.

We have chosen not to support DIY installs or supply products for these retrofits, that costs us money, but it maintains and perpetuates a positive reputation of the product and thats all that matters over the long haul. We didn't just arrive here and we have 30 more years to play this game.

When I told folks at PCA Palooza that their IMS Retrofit would need to be changed in 50,000 miles AND that you won't sell them just the bearing, but they have to buy the $650 kit all over again, they were pissed.

Since THE VERY FIRST single row IMSB was sold that text has been on the site... It was clear and not in fine print. You can lead a human to knowledge, but you can't make them think, just like you can post the info and not make them read it. At least we have the technical data and experience to post a lifespan, and if others have it they aren't posting it- so you tell me which is worse.

Marketing plans that piss off the customer and drive them away are poor marketing plans.

Obviously you have a vendetta here and thats clear with you PURPOSELY bringing this aspect up during your presentation (that we have never denied) that is, and clearly has been posted for years. I also specifically include this information in both my WTI M96 Engine Mechanical class as well as my M96 Engine Rebuild School.
This same info is given TO ALL distributors and is included in product descriptions, if the installers didn't tell the owners of the car this, thats not our fault!

Anyway, we are all talking in the past tense anyway, because its all changed (again) and you didn't even know it.