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Originally Posted by grendiers
' This entire thread is nothing but documented Union abuses.'
Like I said, and I'll type slowly, is that yes, there are and have been documented abuses by Unions and Union labor. I do not disavow that that has happened. Am I happy about that? No, I'm not, I'm all for fairness in the workplace, Union or not.
And, that is the key phrase. Fairness in the workplace. Getting rid of Unions based on yours and others perception of whatever, is not a good idea. Unions have and will provide a hedge or stopgap to the overall lowering of wages in our Country. After WWII, which you and others can stop blathering about, Unions helped create the middle class. Since then, Corporatist America has done nothing but to stop the Middle Class from growing. They are now succeeding to send America back to pre-war America. Are you happy with that?
Even you and your miss-guided whatevers, should take a second, or, however long it might take, to really think about your beliefs. You'll be surprised!
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No they don't. Things have changed since WWII. We are no longer the only manufacturing powerhouse in the world. One thing that never gets mentioned is the growing industrialization in other countries. With our current laws, wage requirements, environmental regs and UNIONS- it's become more cost effective to farm out those unskilled Union jobs.
Unions always always kill their host. There's a reason why the numbers of unions are declining- They either kill the businesses they are leeched onto, or (Like Boeing is doing)- simply moves everything to non-union places.
It isn't because they provide a tangible benefit to their members, that's a given. That's why they self destruct. Look what happened to the public unions in WI- given the option to STOP mandatory payments, the members took it. Union revenues sunk because NO ONE SAW VALUE IN PAYING THEM.
You want cheap Nikes,
and a fat paycheck for installing lug nuts, when a kid in Bangladesh will do it as well (if not quieter!) than the average Union goon.
Can't have it both ways- either we adapt by making the pricing more competitive by farming out labor to cheaper places that qualify, or we SINK on a global level, being overpriced thanks to the Union.
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