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Originally Posted by grendiers

No they don't. Things have changed since WWII. We are no longer the only manufacturing powerhouse in the world. One thing that never gets mentioned is the growing industrialization in other countries. With our current laws, wage requirements, environmental regs and UNIONS- it's become more cost effective to farm out those unskilled Union jobs.

Ugh, a bunch of lies. Things have NOT changed since WWII. We can be a manufacturing powerhouse. Chinese, Indonesian, cheap stuff isn't needed in our country, and if you really look at it, you'd admit it. In fact, manufacturing has gone up considerably since GW been in office, just look it up. Unfortunately, for me an others, this increase is due primarily to the increase in oil-fracking in the Us. I'm dead set against this because of Big Oil's unrelenting push to ignore the environmental consequences. And that is because of Dick Cheney's efforts to exempt the oil-whore-fracking industry from the 2005 clean water act. He and GW, and rumsfield should be in jail for crimes against humanity. History will prove this to be true.

Look what happened to the public unions in WI- given the option to STOP mandatory payments, the members took it. Union revenues sunk because NO ONE SAW VALUE IN PAYING THEM.

Geesh, another lie. This was not a Union members quest. Nope, is was Gov. Goofy Walker and his right wing nutball clones in the assembly, that did this. Guess what, and I live in Wi, he's done. No presidential aspirations for this college dropout. He's done.

'You want cheap Nikes, and a fat paycheck for installing lug nuts, when a kid in Bangladesh will do it as well (if not quieter!) than the average Union goon.'

Really? That's the best you can do? Gee, what other minority-driven thoughts do you have?

'Can't have it both ways- either we adapt by making the pricing more competitive by farming out labor to cheaper places that qualify, or we SINK on a global level, being overpriced thanks to the Union.'

Well, guess what? Americans want quality, and at a fair price. You and yours, can't have it both ways.

Originally Posted by black73

I could provide "data" to support the exact opposite of your conclusion if that was my purpose and I had nothing better to do. There are so many variables related to happiness, production and engagement other than union presence, the very idea that your research concludes what you claim is completely ludicrous.

How do you measure happiness? If I were to speculate, I would say the worker without union rep is afraid to speak his mind, afraid for his job, family, way of life, etc., probably thought you were working for the mgmt to weed out malcontents, while the union man can say exactly what is on his mind without fear of reprisal.

Do you guys have some sort of propaganda play book? Your posts contain zero real content and zero critical thinking, only regurgitated nonsense. I'd be curious how you explain the non-union Toyota truck plant in San Antonio, which refused to lay off workers and instead paid them to go out and work in the community. Obviously a case of evil management trying to keep the working man down.