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Originally Posted by RWebb

Matt - sorry if you feel I insulted you (post 46?) but claims that global warming is not happening are indeed delusional - still open to the proposal I floated once you cool down (or should I say 'chill')

jd - How about we use technology to solve or mitigate the problem? Are you ok with that?

And BTW I sure hope Lindzen is right about the effects being mild, but other scientists do not think so. Some of his (mechanistic) claims have been tested and found wrong, tho he has argued they could still operate.

You can roughly estimate the effect of methane as 1/4 that of CO2 re warming. Climate change also includes ocean acidification and "CO2 happy" plants out-competing other plants, and methane has little effect for those issues. A further complication is that fracking HELPS with CO2 emissions but can elevate CH4 emissions if not done properly. Also, the dwell time of CO2 in the atmosphere is much longer than for CH4. All effects need to be quantified.

I'm fine, wore my big boy panties today.

I don't argue the measured temperature changes over the last 100-ish years by modern science. That is fact. What I am not convinced is why the climate is changing. We live on a planet with a history of climactic oscillations, and the small amount of data that we have represents an mere blip in time when compared to the age of the Earth. How can we know that the measured temperature changes aren't simply part of the natural cycle of the Earth? What supports the claims that measured climate changes are the result of man's activity? Those are my perpetual questions on this topic.