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Side rant: Oracle (the owner of Java), as a company, sucks monkey balls. We have some of their equipment, and our support contracts recently came up or renewal; I get sent copies because I'm the systems guy, but I don't really have any say in it. I've never seen such nickle-and-diming. Crap like $8 in support cost for a frickin' power cord. Each DIMM in the machine has a separate line item. The god damn external chassis has a 4-figure support charge. You get the picture. The only you would ever see more outright double-fisted sodomy would be to download it off the internet. It would be literally cheaper to buy replacement h/w off of eBay than to pay for support. I would never, ever, ever willingly buy Oracle (ie SUN/SPARC) hardware ever again.