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Originally Posted by Crowbob
Great discussion, thank you Z.
What you are describing are the limitations we currently face. However, I am reminded that not long ago it was pretty much definitive that no machine could produce beautiful and novel art. Say, for discussion, a painting that satisfies our current notions of esthetics, even as individual and subjective as esthetics are.
Today, a drone could easily and remotely take a photo of a landscape, a woman or even a chair. Connect that image up to a printer and voyla an esthetically pleasing, novel image is created. Were one to show that image to someone from a century ago that person quite likely would not be able to comprehend that that beautiful, novel image was not produced by the hand of a human being.
Just as today, you ask how a robot could 'learn' to sit on a ledge or reassemble a chair from pieces. My friend from the past would ask very similar questions about the painting.
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That, in my opinion, is not AI -- it would be the next action that would be the starting point for AI. Let me explain...
Once the drone has established that a sunset picture falls within the parameters of esthetically pleasing landscape, how does the computer learn about other esthetically pleasing landscapes? Let's assume the computer realizes that a mountain is in his sunset picture, and extrapolates that mountains are esthetically pleasing (big stretch here, I know...). Ok - so the drone starts taking pictures of all types of mountains with the assumption that they are esthetically pleasing. Unfortunately, not all mountains and mountain shapes are pleasing, and the drone computer has no way of discerning between Mt. Rainier, Mt Fuju, a mound of garbage and a pile of steaming poo. All it knows is that a mountain shape is pleasing. One would have to program the AI with more parameters to resolve this -- but that's not AI, that's just humans improving the code...
Over time, humans have developed more intelligent machines. But that's not AI -- that's just humans improving the code that runs the machines.
And we haven't even begun to discuss topics like emotions, morality, ethics, violence and so on...
-Z