[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by john70t

So there needs to be two things: an incentive for the female to have the male around (or punishment) and an incentive for the male to stay around (or punishment).

So 'forcing' people to stay in miserable relationships works for the kids? Interesting concept -

Compared to the 50's when the male worked and the female raised children and they were both stigmatized if not married and responsible, today the government takes over the main role as the primary breadwinner. The male is displaced and considered disposable while the female is surrounded by a network, culture, and legacy of single-parent females. Vive la liberation femme. Girls gone wild. Whoo Hoo. Power!

You are upset that women traditionally have stronger bonds and have traditionally created better support systems among themselves? This isn't anything new - it has been this way since we were hunters/gatherers. If you think men are considered disposable, isn't that often as much the fault of the man, rather than entirely blame the woman?

I believe some of the M->F violence which tears apart young families stems from the unrealistic economic expectations of culture(i.e. cable before baby food), frustration of males who have lost empowerment, employment, and dignity, and a more assertive and/or aggressive female who claims dominance in all roles. Young people are not planning ahead for the future and sticking to their roles, because there aren't any roles.

Sticking to their 'roles' - really - empowering women is bad in your world... good to know. Best to have the little woman know her 'role' and not wander too far astray from that 'defined' and 'optimum' assignment of male and female ideals.