[fred cook]

Originally Posted by biosurfer1

Your "machine turned" comment reminded me of a conversation I had with an older engineer at work not long ago. He seems to remember back in the 50's/early 60's all the advertising was "space aged materials" and "precision machining" etc, etc.

Now 99% of the stuff out there is machine made and advertising likes to showcase "fine hand craftsmanship" or the like.

Guess when the ad guys run out of ideas, its rinse and repeat

I think that I used the wrong term to describe the finish on the Winchester M12. I should have said "Engine Turned" which is done by hand. Here's a picture of a lifter plate finished like the one on my Super Field Grade. Apparently the Super Field Grade guns were very close to being the same as a Pidgeon Grade gun!