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I was talking to a young fellow one winter who had his car towed out of a ditch and received a ticket for "driving too fast for conditions."
He was complaining about the ticket, claiming he wasn't driving too fast.
I asked him if his car had gone off the road, he said, "Yes"
I asked if the road had not been snow covered if he would have gone off, He replied, "No."
I advised him that is what, "too fast for conditions " means.

Many years ago, my college room mate was driving us somewhere. The road was covered in wet snow and when he dropped a wheel off the edge of the broken pavement, his reaction was to jerk the wheel to the left. Oh shiiii oot.
We came popping back up onto the road surface and headed toward the other lane with oncoming traffic. He corrected and got us back on our own side of the road to avoid the Mustang which was coming, then had to correct that skid. We did another pendulum swing across the center line after the Mustang went by and he finally got it all straightened out.
We drove on in silence for a couple of miles before he said, "That was close."

Best
Les