I can tell you it will be STUPID fast, I've always wondered what the stock 4speed would feel like with that kinda power, I love the feel of those looooong legs on a tricked up motor, something tells me they won't seem so long with that kinda power though...:eek:

I rode in a 750hp turbo mustang owned by my dyno guy, it is still the fastest thing I've ever been in, it also sparked my turbo 928 fetish:D

Stellar numbers !! Since this is a race car I stayed with a 3.2 liter displacement. It's period correct for my 935 but I also found in a race car they live a lot longer than the larger jugged motors. Everything is standard 935 on mine but I did put the new large 997 GT3RSR oil pump in my motor and swiched to Carillo rods in favor of the titaniums. Other than that a few tricks but regular 935 spec stuff with some old K27s . This is my Daytona motor . Only ran it at 1 bar

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Gabe are you going to put the REAPER on your license plate, ironic that your name is Gabriel the messenger of G*d and to have such a sinister looking machine is just wrong, my saint name is Peter, the rock and guardian of the gates to Heaven with a car lie that I can finally tell everyone to go to hell.

Van that is some amazing power at just one bar from a 3.2 935 or not!

My god man, that thing is insane. Does driving it require a current check-up from a cardiologist?

I may have to meet you guys up at The Dragon just to see this beast in person, it is a long drive from Atlanta but something tells me it may be worth it.

I'm a long time member and "never" post but I surf the Pelican and RL 930 boards daily. (Like most of this audience I notice SmileWavy ) Right now I'm watching the Koenigsegg CCX on Top Gear and happened to finally listen to the sound clip of this beast on the lift.

I pressed pause on Top Gear and the Koenigsegg to listen to all 5:07 of air-cooled turbo glory... twice. I think that says something! On top of that I’m actually taking the time to write down my feelings… I don’t do that. “Y’all are the ones doing that”… I just watch. I guess not this time.

As with the other posters, I'm amazed by this build. It is easily up there with the best projects on the forum. Jack's BB2 and Matteo's 74 IROC are amazing projects that were painstakingly “created” and this car belongs in the same sentence.

I don't think this is the "ultimate 930" per say but it is easily the "most extreme" in my book. Since our 930's are often considered "the most extreme" of the air cooled 911's this car makes perfect sense. My ultimate 930 would be closer to a Ruf BTR or CTR Yellowbird (due in large part to R&T in 1987) but I prefer my 930's a little "softer"... if any built 930 can be considered soft by modern standards. This thing is way, way, WAY out there from the bodywork, to the paint, to the amazing wheels that have a story in their own right. Then I heard the motor and the beautiful music coming out of that center mount exhaust. What a great project and tribute to Turbo Porsches!

It is with that same thinking that I have to say until I saw the clip I didn't like the rear wing. Reaper, I'm sure you'll end up with a number of wings so I'll be surprised if we don't see some other looks out of this.... thing. The the flat black makes sense (even though I think it is already played on other cars, yours actually deserves it), the red gauges make sense, and now the wing makes sense. Why not?!?

PLEASE tell me this car will be in Austin at some point, even if just passing through. I've GOT to see this car in person. Congrats, Reaper... your car is sick.

Okay, back to Top Gear and the Koenigsegg. I wonder if we can get Jeremy to come test drive Blackbird in the Central Texas Hill Country once it's finished... ah, a lad can only dream!

Cheers,

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Van: I hate you man! Haha, THOSE are stellar numbers! From a 3.2!!!!! Just wow, which car is this motor going in? The Coca-Cola car? I just love your collection and enthusiasm for these cars - you're an inspiration to say the least! That is one special motor you've got there - I can only imagine the sounds of that on the dyno! WOW!

Schnele: Good point, but at the same time a messenger needs to get there quick and stealthly...you get the last laugh in the end though! Hopefully we can meet up.

Willtel: Come out for the drive! I promise it will be a blast - but just a heads up I'll be in Atlanta to see my sister on the return trip to Houston - so before I head out for the trip we'll try to set something up.

Texas Turbo: I plan to take the wife up to Austin as she's never been up there - so yes we'll definately meet up. I'll PM you my number and we'll get it ironed out.

Thank you for the kind write up and honest opinions. To be honest myself there are several decisions I made that I started to regret until I saw them all come together...Its been very hard to endure through the project not really knowing how it would turn out but I knew it would be extreme one way or the other, love it or hate it...and gladly its turning out just as I had imagined it would.

Thank you so much for breaking your silence - its nice to know where this project stands in the grand scheme of things. Its an honor to be mentioned with BB2 & Matteo's IROC...those are legendary projects, and you're right on the tail - time did not allow a custom 935 wing but it will be on there in comming months for sure to get the look I originally wanted.

This car/project has stirred a lot of emotion in a lot of people and I'm so thrilled about that, it was such an unexpected side benifit. Its so amazing when so many people are passionate about the same thing, I think that's why the Porsche family is always so strong especially with the aircooled cars. I'm just happy I can be a part of that family.

If you can get ahold of Jeremy & the Stig I'll turn the keys over in a heart beat...I wonder what kind of lap times it would do on their test track.... :D

I sold the Coke 935 . I did not like the car at all... it was the fabcar tube frame car known as the 'Last 935" It just didn't have that real 935 feel ... I still have the yellow 935 and I replaced the Coke car with DESPERADO... super sweet K3 with great history ...

I am keeping my eyes peeled for a factory 934.5 or early 935 wing for you . I think the car looks incredible .. I do think the early factory wing will make the car look incredible squared :)

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And as always I agree with you 100% on the factory wing, let me know if you come across anything!

Wow I'm glad you kept the yellow 935, and now with Desparado!!!! Wow, it just doesn't get any better than that!

VZ, stunning cars. Must be cool to get up in the morning and have the agonizing decision of which one to drive!

As the owner of several past and present 935's, maybe you could shed some light on a running debate on the cockpit boost knob thread

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=438828

Do you still use the boost screw in vintage racing, and if so, when? What is your knowledge of the factory's recommendations to teams and drivers regarding it's use during that period? Finally, what is your opinion as to the roll of the knob on a MFI engine vs CIS? If you want to reply on that the above thread so as not to hijack this one, that would be fine.

Finally got see/hear the clip, Reaper (Youtube is blocked at work)...sounds BAD AZZ! Of course you didn't need me to tell you that!

Same, I've played it about 10 times, it has a Ferrarieque howl at some rpms, very impressive. Looking forward to seeing it sit on it's own tyres.

634 HP :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

WAY TO GO!!!

For the Blackbird I can wait some stupenduous emotions and feelings for the driver Gabriel...
Like "mister 935" explained, the performance family of fast Porsches is completely different thing than just having fast 911.

Be aware of the change you will have:
By experience (with my "green afterburner") over 600rwhp / 600rwNm torque does feel like nothing before and soon most of the other cars you drive just don't do it to you any more, never.

This means, that if you want to buy any new car in the world with even near of such a capability, we are talking about Carrera GT, Koenigsegg CCX, Enzo etc. level cars and prices are enormously high. Therefore I would say, that by building a monster from 911 is the cheapest way (I didn't say cheap way) to create astonishing fast car.

Our GPS-results from last summer for the green (street legal car of course :D ):
0-100km/h 3,5sec.,
0-200km/h 8,7sec.,
0-300km/h 28,7 sec.
top speed 343km/h (gps-result in Germany Autobahn)
And some killing fast street tyre (Toyo R888 semi slicks) lap times...
And I've been driving with only 1,0 bar boost.

This brings me back to the subject, that this thread has been the most interesting and fascinating of all threads, since the beginning and the photoshop target aiming dream pics to the existing situation to be soon ready to shoot!

I'm really ready to help you with the arrangements to visit in the Nordschleife if you feel like coming back to the roots of the car like you are building :D.

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Dude, that thing is just plain bad-ass!!

Because your azz is supposed to be working!!! :p

Ask me how I know!

P-

True dat!

Petri, awesome brother! I can't believe how quick your beast is, is traction difficult with your tires? What size rears are you running?

Impressive top speed as well (205mph), I'm hoping to match the factory's claim of 0-100kph below 3 seconds at 1.6 bar, but with your numbers at 1 bar so close to mine - I'm becoming more scared of my car everyday! I just can't wait to get behind the wheel...and yes I'll be sure to get in contact with you when the car is fully sorted to bring it to the 'Ring.

Beautiful pictures...now THAT is a flame thrower!

Spence & Sandman: Glad ya'll like it as much as I do, I can't help but play the file over and over on my ipod.

Craig: That's what I said! Just wait until I do runs at full 1.6 bar on the runway :D

As I said: after green, most of the cars don't do it to me anymore :D.

Engine rpm 7500 in calculations (my engine revs more than 7800 rpm)
Final ratio 4,22
tire diameter 642mm
tire cir.km 0,00201588

1st gear ratio 2,25, top sp 95,5km/h, main shaft 36, lay shaft 16
2nd gear ratio 1,30, top sp 164,7km/h, main shaft 30, lay shaft 23
3rd gear ratio 0,89, top sp 240,6km/h, main shaft 25, lay shaft 28
4th gear ratio 0,63, top sp 343,8km/h, main shaft 20, lay shaft 32

gps numbers:
1st gear 7880rpm = 100+km/h, so for 0-100 I don't have to shift, basically the time is depending completely about the grip in start (and if drive shafts can handle it :D). Litte bit too long for a perfect start, but I don't do Drag races, so every race has only one start. If not first after the start, it will be fixed soon after :D .

2nd gear 7840rpm = 170+km/h, long enough for certain curve combinations in Nordschleife like in Hatzenbach, Hoche Act, Whipperman... etc. No need to shift, you can accelerate between 80-170km/h with same gear, very good for left foot braking, no need to play with clutch.

3rd gear 7830rpm = 250+km/h, long enough for most of the fast curves in the Ring: long long very fast uphill from Bergwerk etc. excellent acceleration between 150-250km/h :D.

4th gear 7530rpm = 343+km/h, excellent in Autobahn to tease some new "so called" fast cars :D:D:D.

And yes: flames always when shifting up or down and revs are over 5000rpm :D.
Estimation is that 2-3m length of the flames will be slightly shortened next summer due to higher boost (1,3bar or 1,5bar is in sights, we will do brake dyno tests in spring)...

I have just one big turbo, and the engine is build to handle quite high revs as 930 engine usually with normal parts can't do, so when you, Gabriel, are considering your ratios, please note that your twinturbo spools earlier than mine, but it probably doesn't like revving over 7000rpm.
Because of long ratios and long torque and power area (between 3000-7800rpm) this car is very driveable and especially with complete racing suspension and aerodynamical aids it has an excellent grip. The rear needs still a FIA GT2 wing and diffusor (I've described in my Strosek thread) to keep rear better down in over 250km/h speeds. With rear wing and diffusor additions top speed will drop some, but the curve grip will be a lot better, especially in scary (and so enjoyable) fast corners.

Thanks for the info Petri - I looked at your photoshopped pictues and I do have to say your car is looking very, very sweet.

The numbers are insane, and yes I agree with you that in the end after I drive this car, no other will be able to excite me in such a way :D

Keep me posted on that diffuser! And I'll have to post my speeds per gear when I pick up the car :D

For now we have a minor update to the tune of starting the car, I asked Fred to set me up with a few different switches so that I could disable the electrical and fuel systems from either side of the column in case of a roll over or really bad accident where I couldn't get out of the car:

First switch is for battery power to ignition & overall power
Second switch is to activate fuel pumps 1 & 2
Third switch is for Fan 1 (also thermostaticaly controlled but I do have ability to override and turn on sooner)
Fourth switch is for Fan 2(also thermostaticaly controlled but I do have ability to override and turn on sooner)

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Here's the GT3 in Alcantara with the Schroth Profi III 6 point harness with contoured thigh straps & camlock release mounted to the Brey Krause unit. Stock seat belt mounting/routing holes have been retailed in the rear panels in case I want to use stock style belts in future.
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Man that thing is looking all business..

Which switch activates the afterburners? :eek:

The afterburner must be triggered by the Throttle position sensor...

That's some good thinking Gabe on the switches, hey just a thought about the BreyKraus Harness Truss, Those things look wicked after you powder coat them in Black Wrinkle Finish. They aren't difficult to dismantle, I put a few in back in the day and had the upper and lower plates done. One time I did the bushings, another time I left the bushings alone, I couldn't decide what looked better, I liked them both. I wish I had some pictures...

Some love the "bling" of the silver, but it was annoying to me in the rearview mirror, plus it would blend with all that really nice Alcantera you've got there... Of course, don't do the stainless mounts, just the aluminum, if at all

Looking Good, Sounding Good:cool:-soon all it will need is a loose nut behind the wheel!:D

Paul: The second switch (fuel pumps) :)

Mike: I was thinking about doing the whole thing black...but it just matched with the shifter so well and tied in with the pedals I decided to leave it as is.

And a rear view mirror....whats that for? To quote my favorite movie Gumball, "The firsta rulea of Italian driving....whata isa behinda you issa not important!" :D

LOL I hear ya' I guess a little contrast won't hurt:D I just have thing for black wrinkle finish... Good thing I don't have a powder coat gun, I wonder what my wife's cat would look like...

+1
Got into trouble when my "ex" found me baking my valve covers in the oven! :rolleyes:
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Gab, seeing as you are less than a week away from saddling up your rocketship and riding cross country, thought i might give you some words of advice.

- Take plenty of time and miles to get used to the completely unique caracteristics of your ride. Get to know the power delivery and suspension gradually, or it may bite you in the ass. I remember coming through the mountains outside of San Diego on the first day and being so amped up with the car that i got too hot into one turn and had at total 'oh $hit' moment.

-If you don't have a Valentine 1, get one!

-Get used to people staring at you like you are driving in some sort of alien spaceship. Older P-cars are a rare sight these days, much less full blown race car replicas. The magnetism and charisma of your car will blow people away, old and young alike. i had guys coming up to me at gas stations along the way, like a bunch of kids going ga-ga over the latest toy in the store window

-Get ready to be challenged by every Ricky Redneck in his overly tricked out muscle car and every ricer punk between LA and TX. Your know the types.. they rev and gun in complete annoyance until they force you to blow them away. Just make sure there are not cops around when you do. I found that nothing could keep up with my ride even in a poor state of tune with low boost, and the Blackbird is going to be like the Millenium Falcon going warp speed.

-Take time to enjoy the scenery. It was my first cross country trip, and i couldnt get over how beautiful parts of the southwest were.

-Make sure you have all the stuff you need for possible flats, spare fan belt, etc, AAA.

-Finally, be prepared to have the time or you life! I know i did.

Man, when I was 25 (eons ago...) I didn't have a project like this...

;-)

LMAO Dave!! I knew we had something in common! The engine is a beauty, how long did it take to get the fan that nice??

Juice, very good advice. BIG +1 on the Valentine, dont forget the remote display! Very good call on the spare belts, in fact, I would practice changing it(them) before you leave, it's much easier to learn in the shop versus on the side of the road.

Your motor is 3.6 based right? You may need that funky 12 pt allen wrench that goes in the center of the alternator shaft, and possibly a 5mm allen wrench for the inner bolts. Bring vise grips too, if that's the case, cause the allen bolts are shallow and will strip quite easily

Also, bring a magnet for when (or if) you drop one of those annoying shims, or the pulley nut. They have a habit of disappearing under the crank pulley...

One afternoon....
Used a Dremel with a brass wire wheel( x2 ), after that Wenol polish. That shine sure didn't last long.

Bring a laptop if you have one. In the event that you break down, the Pelican Mafia will be tracking you and will be happy to help.

JP

This is something I plan on doing the whole way to New Mexico...its not that I'm scared as much as I just have a healthy respect for what it can do - thanks for the heads up from your trip as mine will be a mirror of yours. There are lots of mountains that I'll be going through (Flagstaff), so I plan on taking it real easy...easier said then done I know.

Haha I don't know if I can get used to that...between us Pelicanites on road trips maybe we can inspire the younger generation to get back to basics huh? And thanks for the compliments ;)

This is the part i'm really dreading, my luck the one time I do it I'll land my butt in the podunk jail. I'll keep an eye out on the V1...that thing is gooooood stuff.

Same here, this is my first from the west coast...bringing the DSLR to get some great shots. I'll share when we meet up in Hickory (as well as from the road).

Good thinking - I just have AAA right now - if I get a flat I'm kind of screwed as all my tires are on back order like no other and my spares I ordered....still on backorder.

Bro, like I said when I first saw your initial thread after you bought the 934 - you were the inspiration for this trip. I couldn't believe the fun you were having - the joy that was so evident in every post...I'm looking forward to a bonding experience like no other with the 935. Life just doesn't get much better than this does it... SmileWavy

RSRfan: Def. will do - I'll also be posting progress at every stop :D

Craig: Yeah man, its taken a lot of me and the wife bustin' butt to be able to do it in such a short timeframe. I count myself as one of the luckiest guys ever to have such a great wife who encourages me to pursue my dreams...but we had a deal. I bought her the house and furniture of her dreams and she's allowing me to build this car (and my 944 GTR) :cool: :eek:

Gab,

The only part of that advice I'm not sure of is the piece about having all the stuff you need for possible flats.. with those Gumballs forget about it!!! Although Justin makes a very good point... especially having AAA

So, you've got a breaker bar with that huge socket for the single wheel nut.. With all the spare wheel parts you've accumulated, have you thought about getting the wheel guys to fab you some sort of trick spare wheel on a space saver that will fit in the trunk? After all it is a street car right?

The old Ferrari 512BBs used something similar as some of them had the single splined hub.. think some of the TRs did as well. Just a thought.

+1 on enjoying the scenery!! America The Beautiful is an absolute truth!

My cross country trek didn't have the hyper energy that you guys had/will have.. but it was fun non-the less driving the flamed dually!

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Paul, LOL! That truck looks like something Captain America would drive!.

The flat tire issue is a concern for all widebody 911s with over-sized wheels/tires.
There are multiple problems:
- When the tire is flat I cannot get a jack under the car, even in the garage.
- If I can get the spare on, the car should not be driven far with such a mis match.
- The flat tire and rim will not fit in my cockpit and I sure ain't leavin' it behind.
- No tire store will carry my rear size in stock (which is your front).

I carry a tire repair kit and a foot pump and pray for no sidewall damage.

Not to be gloom and doom but nothing prepared me for this at 80mph:



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Very true. A flat *will* effectively mean a tow.........275/315 F&R on my 930.

Hint: A 996 TT spare goes a long way towards solving most problems.

Paul, is the person taking the picture driving an F430????!?!?!?!?!? Love the truck, very purposeful and looks the part as well.

Brian: Holy God dude...if that happens my rear or front fender will disintegrate instantly...and you're absolutely right about not getting any type of jack under the car. We were hoping for air jacks but time didn't allow to set them up which would be the only way to change the tire. I think i'll look at a foot pump and puncture repair kit.

If the worst happens and I do get a flat with no body damage, its going to mean AAA and two plane tickets and the car will meet me in Houston and still try to make the run to NC, if not in the Blackbird then forsure in the BMW.

The tire corpse on either the front or rear rim won't fit in any part of the car and I'm not ditching either centerlock that goes south...this is going to be a ballsy kind of Gumball run, just a very cautious one at that. I CAN'T WAIT!!!! WHOO HOOO! 6 more days until I start the journey to pick her up!

Yeah, I know.. the paint job is what effectively drove the price down for a really nice low mileage dually. PO used it to tow his matching 40' tri-powered Fountain.

I just use it as my all around tow/parts hauler & "Porsche Support Vehicle."
Its no chore with a four-fifty-four..

not meaning to hijack your thread....but this has been an great story to follow, even if someone doesn't care for butt-draggers.


I got interested because of searching for something a little bigger to go on the back of my Euro 928---it currently has 315/25/19's on the rear, but when I finish the body work/paint job, it will have enough room for the 355's.

Personally, I think your 355's wheels should have had another half to 3/4 inch taken out of them.....that way, the sidewalls would be straight up and down, instead of pulled out at the rim---just my .25 cents worth.


As I said, this is a great story to watch. I can't wait to see the finished project.

Maybe one day you'll bring it to one of Lone Star Region's Concours meets.....?

Good luck and congrats on your project.:D





--Russ

Butt draggers ? that's what mortals refer to our cars as ?? Geez!!!

Well after talking to the Pirelli Rep they said that the widest fit to still yield maximum performance was a 13.5" measurement from bead to bead which these wheels have.

If you have the clearance to run taller tires than 26" I'd go with MPS2's as the 345's are wider than my 355's, however they're just shy of 28" tall which won't fit into the fender.

I'll be sure to bring it to some of the Lone Star events when I'm in town, but I don't think the concours guys will appreciate the non-shiny paint, and customized everything. But who knows.

Glad you dig the project, and thanks for the kind words.