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bahnzai 07-06-2008 01:03 PM

Twin Plug machining - who did you guys use?
 
Twin Plug machining for your heads & valve covers- who did you guys use and what ball park should I expect the cost to be?
Thanks in advance for any advice!
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930gt-40r 07-06-2008 04:52 PM

Im going to use Verdan Machine in Dover, NJ. They did all of my refurbishing and Ive seen their twin plug jobs- very nice.

A930Rocket 07-06-2008 05:03 PM

EBS did mine. They machine it for a smaller plug to save material (or so they say). I want to say it was about $500.

sand_man 07-06-2008 07:04 PM

Performance Developments

Jeff Alton 07-06-2008 11:05 PM

I use the fellow local to me who does all my heads. Fantastic work, great prices. The dealer and all the independants use him. Haywardperformance.com


Cheers

mb911 07-07-2008 05:04 AM

cgarr on this board. he is in MI as uses 12mm to save material as well. can't remember cost but very very inexpensive. PM him for a quote

sand_man 07-07-2008 06:23 AM

my heads being done in Neil's shop:
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cstreit 07-07-2008 06:29 AM

+2 for cgarr (Craig and Denny Garrett) in MI.

sand_man 07-07-2008 06:32 AM

The actual cost for the twin-plug machine work is not very expensive in the big picture; it's the cost(s) of how you fire the second set of plugs that gets expensive...

osiris2600 07-07-2008 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sand_man (Post 4045517)
The actual cost for the twin-plug machine work is not very expensive in the big picture; it's the cost(s) of how you fire the second set of plugs that gets expensive...


What did you mean by that?

sand_man 07-07-2008 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osiris2600 (Post 4045605)
What did you mean by that?

Just having the heads drilled for an extra set of spark plugs does not, in and of itself, create a fully functioning twin-plug engine. Obviously the stock ignition system will only fire six spark plugs...so one needs to determine what ignition system will be utilized to fire all twelve spark plugs. It can get expensive - money being a relative term.

sand_man 07-07-2008 07:47 AM

My latest project involving ignition:
JB Racing 12 point ignition distributor: $1,500
JB Racing spark plug wires (don't forget you need 12): $380
MSD 6AL CDI boxes: 2 @ $220 = $440
MSD Blaster SS coils: 2 @$43 = $86

All of this is in addition to the money spent on the machine work...

osiris2600 07-07-2008 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sand_man (Post 4045621)
Just having the heads drilled for an extra set of spark plugs does not, in and of itself, create a fully functioning twin-plug engine. Obviously the stock ignition system will only fire six spark plugs...so one needs to determine what ignition system will be utilized to fire all twelve spark plugs. It can get expensive - money being a relative term.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sand_man (Post 4045644)
My latest project involving ignition:
JB Racing 12 point ignition distributor: $1,500
JB Racing spark plug wires (don't forget you need 12): $380
MSD 6AL CDI boxes: 2 @ $220 = $440
MSD Blaster SS coils: 2 @$43 = $86

All of this is in addition to the money spent on the machine work...

Gotcha..

spuggy 07-07-2008 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sand_man (Post 4045644)
My latest project involving ignition:
JB Racing 12 point ignition distributor: $1,500
JB Racing spark plug wires (don't forget you need 12): $380
MSD 6AL CDI boxes: 2 @ $220 = $440
MSD Blaster SS coils: 2 @$43 = $86

All of this is in addition to the money spent on the machine work...

Sandman, what's the cost of a replacement cap/rotor for the JB Racing distributor?

Just wondering if the Burnbros E-type cap/rotor conversion for the stock dizzy would be more cost-effective...

sand_man 07-07-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spuggy (Post 4046061)
Sandman, what's the cost of a replacement cap/rotor for the JB Racing distributor?

Just wondering if the Burnbros E-type cap/rotor conversion for the stock dizzy would be more cost-effective...

The replacement rotor is $70.50 and the cap is $127.50.

I just asked JB Racing today, how long they thought these parts would last, and Mike Bruns indicated they're on their third season (race car) without needing a replacement. He seemed to think it would be a long while in my daily driver before I needed replacement parts. According to Mike, it's usually the rotor that gets fried if a customer wires the dizzy wrong or if a wire comes loose from the cap and starts arcing.

sand_man 07-07-2008 12:11 PM

Even with the Burn Brothers option, I still think the stock dizzy needs to be modified and re-curved. From what I recall, Henry Schmidt of Supertec Performance handles this and it's about $1,250 (working from memory as it was a couple of years ago), and I think you provide your dizzy as the core.

mb911 07-07-2008 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sand_man (Post 4046159)
Even with the Burn Brothers option, I still think the stock dizzy needs to be modified and re-curved. From what I recall, Henry Schmidt of Supertec Performance handles this and it's about $1,250 (working from memory as it was a couple of years ago), and I think you provide your dizzy as the core.

not anymore they made a complete casting now. but not sure on price

sand_man 07-07-2008 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mb911 (Post 4046175)
not anymore they made a complete casting now. but not sure on price


Good to know, Ben! Thanks for the correction!!!

bahnzai 07-07-2008 04:04 PM

Sand_man,
what made you choose a distributor ignition vs. distributorless?

strokher racing 07-07-2008 04:42 PM

I use Bill at Xtreme Cylinder heads. He is about as good as it gets in the Porsche world. He does my modular heads on my twin turbo cobra as well. His work in on another level, and his pricing is not that bad either. I run the Jb racing 12 plug distributor with two msd digital 6 ignitions, and two HVC coils. I would say I have about 3K in my ignition alone. My JB cap has a button on one of the spark plug terminals that keeps falling out. Not sure how long they will last on a car that has the plug wires taken off that often. Maybe I got a lemon cap.


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