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gumba 11-19-2014 01:40 PM

A few shots of the oil return sump plate I've been working on. Both sides are tapped at 22mmx1.5. -10an to 22mm adapter for the oil line and a 22mm magnetic drain plug on the other side. It's 1.200" thick at the center.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416433188.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416433201.jpg

quattrorunner 11-19-2014 02:45 PM

I love that idea! That looks great too.

baloo 11-19-2014 03:14 PM

Looks great. Am interested. Need one.

Uncle 11-19-2014 03:20 PM

Very nice!

baloo 11-20-2014 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patkeefe (Post 8333944)
I return mine to the left side chain cover. Coincidentally, I was just out in the garage doing the start up for the first time since reinstalling the engine. I can't pump enough oil from the turbo through my electric pump without it pushing past the bearings to the exhaust side. I used to run a catch can, but figured I'd try this first. Catch can = more clearance issues. Oil return is such a PITA.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1414873058.jpg

Pat!
I just reviewed this thread and understood your installation, but not sure where/how exactly the pump drains into the chain cover. Did you have to modify the cover?

How is that working out for you?
I think it would be great to bypass a catch can.

QUESTION: If the electric pump should fail, would there still be gravity feed through the pump to the sump?

gumba 11-20-2014 06:40 AM

I plan on making a couple more of these next week (without the black grooves). This Mishimoto an10 to 20mm banjo fitting may be another alternative for the oil line return.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416494406.jpg

turbobrat930 11-20-2014 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baloo (Post 8361965)
Pat!
I just reviewed this thread and understood your installation, but not sure where/how exactly the pump drains into the chain cover. Did you have to modify the cover?

How is that working out for you?
I think it would be great to bypass a catch can.

QUESTION: If the electric pump should fail, would there still be gravity feed through the pump to the sump?

I not only have a catch can at the bottom of the turbo, but also have a -8 AN line going to the 4,5,6 chain cover. I have NEVER had an issue with oil leaking past the turbo seals.

Its easy to do. Take the chain cover off, drill hole... have a -8 fitting welded in... wallah!!!! Then, I had a -8 fitting welded into the other side of the catch can... connected the two with a AN line.. You can see it in this picture here. It is way below the bottom of the turbo, but it doesn't look that way in the picture

[IMG]https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6047/...b80a79c9_z.jpgIMG_0147 by turbobrat930, on Flickr[/IMG].

baloo 11-20-2014 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbobrat930 (Post 8362005)
I not only have a catch can at the bottom of the turbo, but also have a -8 AN line going to the 4,5,6 chain cover. I have NEVER had an issue with oil leaking past the turbo seals....

...I had a -8 fitting welded into the other side of the catch can... connected the two with a AN line.. You can see it in this picture here. It is way below the bottom of the turbo, but it doesn't look that way in the picture

[IMG]https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6047/...b80a79c9_z.jpgIMG_0147 by turbobrat930, on Flickr[/IMG].

So you do not use a scavenger pump and rely totally on gravity drainage.
What kind of catch can is that (I assume it's the black beer can looking item in the pic?)?
Thanks.

turbobrat930 11-20-2014 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baloo (Post 8362032)
So you do not use a scavenger pump and rely totally on gravity drainage.
What kind of catch can is that (I assume it's the black beer can looking item in the pic?)?
Thanks.

I still use the scavenge pump as well... just above the turbo on the drivers side, you can see the AN live going to the scavenge circuit. The line to the chain housing was just a precaution...

baloo 11-20-2014 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbobrat930 (Post 8362058)
I still use the scavenge pump as well... just above the turbo on the drivers side, you can see the AN live going to the scavenge circuit. The line to the chain housing was just a precaution...

Got it! And the scavenge pump feeds into the bottom sump plate, I guess.
Neat. Gravity feed is back up in case of pump failure! No wonder you never get oil past the turbo seals due to back pressure.

baloo 11-20-2014 08:20 AM

[QUOTE=gumba;8361990]I plan on making a couple more of these next week (without the black grooves). This Mishimoto an10 to 20mm banjo fitting may be another alternative for the oil line return.QUOTE]

Gumba,
Are you making these for purchase?
If so, what's the price?
Thanks.

patkeefe 11-20-2014 08:45 AM

I am today working on quantifying the rates of oil flow through the turbo and pump. I have previously measured the flow into the turbo to be approximately 0.28 gal/min. With this flow rate, and the pump running, I send a lot of oil past the turbine bearings. I have had a valve on the feed line in the past, but It's a PITA, so I want to establish a fixed orifice flow IAW Borg Warner's recommendations.

I am going out now to try and quantify the flow through the pump, via 3/8" ID hose on barb fittings (pump inlet and outlet are 3/8 FPT). My pump is supposed to flow WAY more than it seems to.

BTW, the gravity drain is non-existent. I tried it once to the sump plate, didn't work well. This is a big problem when you don't have the factory 930 oil return system.

patkeefe 11-20-2014 10:14 AM

I didn't want to totally hijack this thread...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/839460-turbo-oil-return-non-930-specific.html#post8362319

gavinc69 11-20-2014 10:40 AM

Harold, that's an awesome bit work work you've done there.
I would be interested too.

I got the new sump plate back today with the AN-8 welded on.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416508654.jpg

Compared to the first sump plate, TIG is certainly alot neater than MIG :

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416508702.jpg

All being well I should get the new plate on, on Saturday, plus get a few other jobs done like change gearbox oil and fit turbo mount.


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