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krasuskyp 04-17-2015 03:55 AM

dewdius - NOICE

get GOIN on that there clutch / FW!!!

VERY nice lookin werk, Chiefy - yer gonna have some glorious feelings of accomplishment - almost thar!

now

HIGHLY suggest you take advantage of that niftily provided o2bung (I've got an early gen and had to buy mine and have it cut / welded in) and pick up a WB02.

Sure it's another (!!!) couplafew hundo clams - but - as you've well read here... driving / tuning these POS's is Helen Kelleresque sans. Do it now whilst you've got fantabulous routing access - you will NOT regret this.

(wait - aren't you one of the dewdz running a PLX? Yer 3/4 the way there!)

jwasbury 04-17-2015 04:44 AM

Jeff, very nice clean work there. Everything looks absolutely proper.

I think you missed one small detail. The 2nd picture from the top...o2 sensor bung is unoccupied. You should have an o2 sensor there feeding a wide-band afr gauge in the cockpit so you can monitor. Its obvious that you are precise sort of person based on the cleanliness of your work here...you don't want to be guessing about the state of tune and fuel delivery - you want actual data and w/b afr gives it to you.

>and crikey I just read Paul's post and he's said exactly the same thing. Motion carries...we just spent a few hundred more dollars for you:D

krasuskyp 04-17-2015 05:22 AM

heh, ^great mindz^

kinda funny!

Jeff NJ 04-17-2015 05:31 AM

Yes, already have the plx wideband afr sensor and boost/vacuum sensor. Vacuum hose and sensor cable are already run through the firewall. The boxes are already installed under my seat (documented in a prior post )

Also have the data cable for logging while driving.

Of course, I have never tuned a 930, so I'm sure I'll be asking for help when I get to that step!

Jeff NJ 04-21-2015 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFairman (Post 8566025)
Looks like you're doing a nice neat job on everything Jeff.
For that hole on the right side tin that has a nice little folded up edge so it won't cut into a rubber hose I ran a hose from the top of the 930 oil seperator down through it and then I put one of those K&N type breather filters on the end about 2" below the tins bottom surface.
My car had the air pump system on it when I got it and I removed it because we don't have emission testing in Florida. I used the original long air pump hose that crossed over the top of the engine for that.

I did this because I don't like running blow by fumes back into the intake and letting it vent into the engine compartment is not good because you'll be breathing blowby fumes when running heat or defroster heat in the winter as the engine fan will be sucking in some of the blowby fumes and it is the source of hot air for interior heat and windsheild defrosting during cold weather.

For the rest of the open engine tin holes rubber plugs might work but if they are above the turbocharger the intense heat will dry out a rubber plug in a few months. If you can find silicone rubber plugs they will work well.

For the original turbo drip tank engine tin vent hose hole that is right above the turbo I used two large washers.. one above and one below the tin with a bolt and nut holding them together to plug the hole. Then I painted them black with black exhaust header paint.

So expanding on this a little. See the pic below. The hose from the top of the oil separator (labeled A) T's off a larger line from the oil filler neck to the airbox. I no longer have an airbox, so I want to vent to outside the engine as Jim said. What do I do with the hose from the filler neck (labeled B)? Do I cap that off, or do I extend the current hose (labeled C) that would plug into the airbox down through the tin and add a K&N breather hose filter so that the separator and the filler neck are both vented?

I have seen some pics of oil breather catch cans. How have people done that?

Also, the cloth covered line (labeled D) from the carbon canister over the passenger side rear wheel used to go to the airbox. What do I do with that now?


Help please!

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Ronnie's.930 04-22-2015 01:46 PM

Jeff,

You do not want to plug "B" (different than Paul's "b" which stands for you-know-what, and absolutely needs plugging) as the oil tank definitely needs to vent.

Here's my setup - I made my own catch can out of an old, 1 quart, paint gun pot. I bought the hose fittings/barbs at a local hardware store. I attached "c" and "d" to the can, and then ran the top hose from the can out under the car next to the a/c refrigerant hose. Attaching "d" to the can was probably a waste of time (could simply just take the hose off and let the charcoal canister vent into the wheel well).

The hose barbs are attached to the can with nuts (Paul's) and sealed to it with good ole' JB Weld. The bracket is riveted to the can and the rivets are sealed with JB. Robby and Brandon would be proud!!!

I've almost decided that the catch can is unnecessary and I could have just run hoses from the OEM separator "a" and the tank vent "b" straight outside of the car as I never get much of anything in the catch can except some water and a slight amount of oily film.

Pics -

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429739020.jpg
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Jeff NJ 04-22-2015 02:04 PM

That's a nice setup Ronnie! Your last sentence is probably the deciding one for me though. If you never get anything into it, then why use it? I emailed back and forth with Chris Carroll last night and he suggested venting to the outside as the best solution too.

One question though: Are Paul's nuts really what you used to attach your hose to your can?

Ronnie's.930 04-22-2015 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff NJ (Post 8589792)
That's a nice setup Ronnie! Your last sentence is probably the deciding one for me though. If you never get anything into it, then why use it? I emailed back and forth with Chris Carroll last night and he suggested venting to the outside as the best solution too.

One question though: Are Paul's nuts really what you used to attach your hose to your can?


Thanks.

And regarding Paul's nuts - I had to use replicas (about 20 of them) to attach the hose barbs since there was an inadequate size problem with the originals!

jwasbury 04-22-2015 05:11 PM

Just to further Ronnies post, I would say that a catch can is not entirely necessary and you can vent to atmosphere, but you will want to run the oil on the low end of the dipstick. even so, if you get the oil really hot, and you are driving in a spirited manner, you might get some oil pukage anyway. You would be surprised at how much the oil level rises when the oil is really hot. That stuff expands a bunch IME.

Ronnie's.930 04-22-2015 05:17 PM

^^^ Good point about situations were oil can come out of the tank vent, Jacob.

Jeff NJ 04-22-2015 09:09 PM

Thanks Jake and Ronnie.

I got the charcoal canister hose pulled out and wrapped up above the canister.

I do run my oil level on the lower half of the dipstick already, so I'm going to get some hoses and couplers/reducers and fab something up and see what happens.

Jeff NJ 04-22-2015 09:26 PM

Got my engine off the stand this past weekend.

Pulled the flywheel and got it resurfaced today.

Replaced the rear main seal. It was leaking a little.

Ready to install the clutch, then mate up the trans to the motor.

If the stars align, I could have my motor in this weekend!

Some pics:
Before and after for my flywheel
RMS installed and cleaned up
Front suspension buttoned up and front wheels on for the first time since January!


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1SwtRide 04-23-2015 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff NJ (Post 8590392)
Got my engine off the stand this past weekend.

Pulled the flywheel and got it resurfaced today.

Replaced the rear main seal. It was leaking a little.

Ready to install the clutch, then mate up the trans to the motor.

If the stars align, I could have my motor in this weekend!

Some pics:
Before and after for my flywheel
RMS installed and cleaned up
Front suspension buttoned up and front wheels on for the first time since January!

Jeff - great work on your car. Coming along nicely!

Not sure if you're aware, but there's a pretty sizable cars and coffee taking place this Sunday at Paul Miller Porsche in Parsipanny. Last year it was overflowing with some really nice cars. Weather looks good for this Sunday so it should be equally well attended. I plan to go. Shoot me a PM if you do as well.

SUNDAY APRIL 26TH
9:00-1:00pm,

ALL NEW PAUL MILLER PORSCHE
3419 Route 46 East, Parsippany.

Jeff NJ 04-23-2015 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1SwtRide (Post 8590818)
Jeff - great work on your car. Coming along nicely!

Not sure if you're aware, but there's a pretty sizable cars and coffee taking place this Sunday at Paul Miller Porsche in Parsipanny. Last year it was overflowing with some really nice cars. Weather looks good for this Sunday so it should be equally well attended. I plan to go. Shoot me a PM if you do as well.

SUNDAY APRIL 26TH
9:00-1:00pm,

ALL NEW PAUL MILLER PORSCHE
3419 Route 46 East, Parsippany.

Hey John! We still need to meet up for that beer...

Opening day for softball season is... Sunday 9am. So I will miss it this time.

I work like 5 minutes from Paul Miller. Is it always on Sunday mornings? I would love to go.

pkabush 04-23-2015 10:22 AM

Nice work your doing there. Motor looks spectacular.

JFairman 04-23-2015 06:57 PM

Hi Jeff, looking good!
Be sure to disconnect the braided oil line from the turbo drip tank and spin the motor on the starter motor until oil pressure builds up and oil starts coming out of the drip tank.
(That will happen fastest and will be easier on the starter motor with no spark plugs in the motor)
Then you know the turbo bearing housing has plenty of motor oil in it and it's safe to start the motor.

Jeff NJ 04-23-2015 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkabush (Post 8591306)
Nice work your doing there. Motor looks spectacular.

Thanks pkabush!


Quote:

Originally Posted by JFairman (Post 8592137)
Hi Jeff, looking good!
Be sure to disconnect the braided oil line from the turbo drip tank and spin the motor on the starter motor until oil pressure builds up and oil starts coming out of the drip tank.
(That will happen fastest and will be easier on the starter motor with no spark plugs in the motor)
Then you know the turbo bearing housing has plenty of motor oil in it and it's safe to start the motor.

Thanks Jim. Funny, I was literally just reading your instructions that you generously provided with the K27 that said exactly the same thing! I mean like 45 seconds ago.

Working on installing the clutch now and cant find my clutch alignment tool, so while looking for it, I saw the directions and read them just to make sure I didn't F anything up already!

Jeff NJ 04-25-2015 11:16 AM

Found my clutch alignment tool and the clutch is on (with a little help from Chris C ;) ).

Question - do I lube the front of the throw-out earing where the tabs of the pressure plate hit it? Currently when twisting the TO bearing it will make a metallic scraping sound against the PP tabs, so I want to lube it, but am not sure if there are any reasons why it either doesn't matter or worse, shouldn't be done (grease getting on friction disc, etc). I looked through the clutch instructions here online and in the shop manual and it doesn't clearly say to lube it.

FYI - I did lube the needle bearing and the splines in the friction disc and will lube the guide sleeve when installing the trans. Anything else I should lube? (yes, I realize this last question will cause a frenzy of posts by both Ronnie and Paul! :D)

Any help is appreciated!

thanks

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JFairman 04-25-2015 11:35 AM

You don't grease the diaphram spring fingers where they fit into the throw out bearing groove if thats what you mean. They stay dry.
Any grease there would fling out and probably go where you don't want it.

Jeff NJ 04-25-2015 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFairman (Post 8594493)
You don't grease the diaphram spring fingers where they fit into the throw out bearing groove if thats what you mean. They stay dry.
Any grease there would fling out and probably go where you don't want it.

That's what I meant and that is why I asked BEFORE I did it.
Thanks Jim!


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