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Yeaah aren't we all guilty of being a bit anal with the q-tips ;)

"A Holy Few Gunmen" might be over-selling the point.......I apologize for that.

But why is it important to keep 930 value discussions out of the 930 section?

There is a lot of new interest in these cars at the moment.
Obviosly most of the attention is due to the quite dramatic changes in the market.

I'm just saying that the way the world is moving, it is not an indisputable law of nature that the "911 / 930 Turbo & Super Charging Forum" will always remain exclusively dedicated to technical- and performance related issues.

That said, it is not exactly difficult to find technical material or to start technical discussion on this part of the forum..........so where is the harm?
Does it have to be either or?
A lot of people find it interesting to discuss both technical-, performance-, historical- as well as market aspects of the 930.

Happy New Year to You all by the way http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/ura.gifhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...leys/pint1.gif

THis forum is titled to make us think it's for discussing turbocharging and supercharging the motors.
Excuse me while I pop the collar on my Polo while sipping a mimosa at the Club watching Buffy in her tennis lesson.

My apologies to Ronnie. The lone q-tipper in the crowd, who is accepted due to the mature content he provides, And, lets not forget his tireless effort to keep all 930s in the neutered bone stock condition they deserve. Thank you sir, you're a true hero. Hope to see you at Pebble beach. SmileWavy

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Mr. 70'sBush, is that the place where they hold the world famous, drag queen parade each year?!?! :eek: Sure sounds like it could be with a name like that!!! :D

And I truly appreciate your recognition of both my conversative maturity and my mission to disrespect the spirit and intent of these fine machines! Just like the original designers and builders were surely thinking when they were de-tuning them and piling on all the gear to limit exhaust and noise emissions (at the expense of performance, buttofcourse, butt who cares anyway!?), KEEP THEM STOCK, ya' beyoches!!!!! :D

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Ha ha - exact same time postage - scary, Paul! People will begin to talk! :eek:

er um uhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah - people... are already talkin, YFF.

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So the Hagerty chart now shows that the value dipped a little.

Paul sports a born-with "q-tip" so doesn't he count?!?!?!

Seems as though this thread took 1 year vacation.

How is the 930 (or other air cooled Porsche) market these days?

Did haggerty value go up again?
 

A nice 930 still and always will have no problem bringing $100,000 +

Not so nice 930s are priced accordingly.

That said we are probable in a flat spot for the coming years. But after 300% gains it had too.


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I had hoped it died a painful and merciless death......

We now return to our regular scheduled programming; "What's My Car Worth?"

^^^ That is about as useful as "What's my house worth?"
If I sell it I have cash and no 930. If I borrow against it I have debt & interest payments and go back to working for the banks.

Why sooo negative? some of us are interested in the cash value of our stuff.

Information, not sure how that is a bad thing.

Simple, if uninterested, skip to another thread

There's only one real way to find out....

Thats hilarious

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Here's my thoughts, I honestly thought SpeednMe aka Rey's car was gonna exceed 100K. That being said, if you want to sell a 930 in "A" condition for top dollar advertise on European especially German for sale websites. They want them back & will pay more than us here.

Myself, I would say stupid

I think the best valuation you can get is tracking the classifieds on our host site. Definitely lower than Haggerty.

What really gets me is the 491's selling (or at least advertising) for roughly same amount. I guess some people prefer fake breasts over the real thing.

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Agreed - or use the Porsche Marketplace Discussion forum.

Agreed - Dave/Werk, how dare you poo-poo a thread that has provided such opportunity for sarcasm, comedy and general jackassery as this one has!!! :D

Same here (butt each to their own, buttofcourse). This subject comes up in the Marketplace forum from time to time, and I'm always slinging feces about how obserd it is to pay big money for a sheep in wolf's clothing (known as a "Sheeper" in that forum, and in the 491's case, a Factory Sheeper).

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I know! How "stupid" of me! Sorry. Late in responding due to my preoccupation of Q-tipping all of the my brake rotor ventilation holes. :)

I have a different view of the 491. It would be an excellent platform for turbocharging. The heads breathe so much better than the 3.3's. I know of one such person who uses his turbo 3.2 w/low compression pistons in DE events. It's a rocket ship. Of course, doing something like that surely makes the provenance crowd sick to their stomachs.

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Another + side of the ledger the non turbo vin should give a better insurance premium especially for those near the edge. I have had a few clients over the years that wanted a 491 for starters.

Amen -- 1987-89 M491 = great platform for building a 500+hp daily-driver.

^^^ If you live somewhere other than CA, AZ, Ect...

AZ may be the most strict in the country -- we have CA's emissions standards, plus all test centers are owned and operated by the state.
Still, you can build and tune a car to pass. BTDT.

We always worry more about the ham-fisted twit behind the wheel damaging the car during an IM240 emissions dyno test than we do about whether it'll pass or not.

Well, lets see. Real ones sometimes start out nice, sometimes don't. Over time even the nice ones start become saggy and flappy loosing not only curb appeal but that performance feel also.

On the other hand with a little investment, and taking them to the right shop, they can be better than when the rolled off the factory floor, maintain that performance feel for a long time, and only need a little maintenance every 10 years or so. In fact those performance upgrades can help keep the curb appeal of the entire package, even if there's a little body rot elsewhere.

hmmmm......

Anyway, they're real if I can touch 'em :D

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Is this what you're talking about??


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^^^ Oh yea, Upgraded wins every time.
I drive a 5'1", 96lb, Blond, German performance machine with DD upgrades every chance I get.
When it's out of commission there is always the old truck named Rawknee.

What's his name?!?! :eek:

Longdongveeenerslider

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Kev, I find it equal parts amusing and disturbing :eek: that you are familiar with Deez's German ride's name!!! Butt boff of yew are in Cali, so maybe that explains it?!?!

Kevin930t if you have to know.

Can't say I'm surprised, butt Kevin must make for a curious sight, rockin' those DD "upgrades" :eek:! Got pics?!?!

Any value discussion outside the "marketplace section" appearently provokokes some people to an extent that makes these people look stupid.

Yet, some of those people find it perfectly acceptable to fill up any thread in any section of this forum with; tit, goat, ball, dick and azz.......which just adds to their stupidity.

What´s that about?
I don´t get it

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what ?

Other than the hair color sounds like my Vietnamese ex. Those performance upgrades were a great xmas present. Unfortunately traded her in a couple of years later due to some serious issues with the ECU that I couldn't resolve.

Really? You don't get it? Comparing the Marketplace Forum to 930 Turbo/Supercharging Forum is like comparing the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance to the Cafe Racer or the Hot Rodder mentalities. They're oil and water, different mindsets/audiences altogether. I guess in today's terms, we're Pro-Touring types; trying to eek out a bit more performance using more modern technology, trying to get more out of "The Drive".
This is more of a technically oriented forum of which the information is less dated than the Marketplace which may point out trends of which the information becomes less useful as months progress. IMHO, I really find it hard to understand why some continue to question the reasoning why Pelican had the insight to create two different forums for two distinctly different audiences.