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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas
And here I thought you were describing one of my commutes home from work some ten or so years ago.
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For me, any day... when it rains...
You should have bought a tiptronic! 
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Originally Posted by SpyderMike
Not all of Oregon is that way...just parts of the Willamette valley...Portland to Eugene particularly. Anyway you slice it though, its still waaaaay better than So Cal.
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You are wrong.
My wife is native to Oregon, I am native to SoCal... urban traffic sucks no matter what state you are in... and I have done work in Orlando to Boston... traffic sucks there just as much as L.A. or Portland.