[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Won

My condolences: Sauber confirms deal to use Honda Formula 1 engines in 2018 - F1 - Autosport

That is just astonishing.

I heard Honda made assurances the new engine was competitive, reliable and fuel efficient. Well DUH! I bet they told that same thing to Mclaren a couple of years ago as well.

When they have a total POS right now the new one HAS to be better, but will be be enough? I sure would not bet on it.