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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

And I'm the "frickin' idiot"...

In the context of this particular discussion, yes, I think you are. Why? Because you make statements like this:

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Myself and others have posted links to literally dozens of studies over the years, on many, many threads that have soundly refuted your position.

I'm asking you to support this one. I have looked, believe me, and I can find no recognized, reputable source that agrees with your statement. None. If it were so easy to find, it shouldn't be that difficult for you to show us, now should it? Or if it were indeed reputable, you wouldn't be so reluctant to show us, now would you?

At some point, when you steadfastly ignore such a huge, well vetted, accepted body of evidence, ignore major study after major study by the most reputable sources, you begin to appear the fool. You have certainly achieved that status. Well done.

Let's delve into that, shall we? What I see you posting, repeatedly, are salacious news stories of the latest "pitbull incident." A news story is not a study. What I see others posting are statistics and anecdotal accounts of their experiences with the breed. I'm not saying these incidents don't occur, nor am I saying that people can't form their own opinion about subjects. I will push back on the notion that "breed" is the overwhelmingly dominant causative factor in these incidents, which is the basic narrative you push. Your solution is to ban them, or kill them all. What studies have shown is that doesn't likely won't make a significant difference. Nothing you have posted has refuted any of that. None of the statistics posted by others has delved into causation. I could certainly come up with numbers that show that, within my lifetime, Boeing planes have killed more Americans than pitbulls. That's a statistic. It's also pointless, if that's as far as you take it.

I also refute the notion that I haven't supported my position. In your last attempt at bashing these dogs, I provided a link to an abstract of a study that concluded, among other things, "Most DBRFs were characterized by coincident, preventable factors; breed was not one of these. Study results supported previous recommendations for multifactorial approaches, instead of single-factor solutions such as breed-specific legislation, for dog bite prevention." I linked it again in this thread, in post 112, in case you're too lazy to go back and read your own threads. You claim "I have looked, believe me, and I can find no recognized, reputable source that agrees with your statement" which I find impossible to believe, given that I handed you one on a platter.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

That out of the way, let's deconstruct your article.

Yes, let's do that. The article in question is simply a survey of some of the available literature on dog bite studies and related topics. It was presented to you to illustrate the point that the subject has indeed been studied, it's not hard to find references to those studies and, if you were truly interested in studying the problem, you could go look for these articles and read them.

TO BEAT IT INTO YOUR THICK HEAD, it was a not a study to support any particular position, it was simply quoted to refute your inane position that you've "looked hard and can't find anything to refute your position." The reality is that you haven't looked hard and you don't care to learn anything that contradicts your position on these dogs. Anything you say to the contrary is just horse****.

To add further insult to injury, you condemn me as an "internet tough guy" then the next thing out of your mouth is "in real life - face to face - I would knock your teeth right out through the back of your neck." Well done, you idiot.

All I have ever attempted to say is that most of the reputation accorded these dogs by the great unwashed is either complete horse**** (worst bite, locking jaws, snaps without warning, etc.) or a result of failures of their owners to care for the animals properly and act responsibly to safeguard them and the public. If you truly wanted to solve the problem, you'd work on the humans and not try to legislate the breed out of existence. Take away a pitbull from a gang-banging ******* owner and all he'll do is replace it with something else (Rottweiller, Dobie, whatever) and ruin that dog breed.