PCA Edmonton Auto x Video

[ae1969]

Hey guys,

I am in the polar region.

I had some video from early in the year and finally managed to play with it.

As you can see I edit video as well as I drive ....so be nice. The sound clips are difficult to edit let alone the video. But oh well you get the idea.

PCA Autox Polar

The file is 20 mb so right click and save to your desktop.

[turbocarrera]

Nice vid, I like the PiP but.. that is an awesome AX course! Runways are the schiznit! I went to the Calgary Secret Street AX last week and I didn't get a warm fuzzy about that course, as the infield was in the dark surrounded by light standards illuminating the outside oval. Me being a newbie at these things, I got visions of walking away from my smoldering 930 - nicely wrapped around said light pole. No such problem on a runway! I sure hope I can make some of your events next year.

Thx for the vid.

[Zero10]

Secret street is set up to feel just like... well... secret street. It's not supposed to be a big wide open type of thing, or else they would have tried to negotiate something with the south end of the road course. That said, it's a pretty quick course, and I frequently top 120kph despite it being on the infield of the oval. I agree the lighting could use a little work, but if you get there early, you get a couple runs in before it gets really dark, so you can get a good image of the course in your head, and drive right through the shadows.

That said, I've always wanted to run at the airport in Edmonton, I came up once for an event, and it was called on account of rain. After spending 6 hours driving there and back for nothing, I decided it wasn't worth it.

I'll watch the vid tonight, since I'm at school

[ae1969]

Originally posted by turbocarrera
Nice vid, I like the PiP but.. that is an awesome AX course! Runways are the schiznit! I went to the Calgary Secret Street AX last week and I didn't get a warm fuzzy about that course, as the infield was in the dark surrounded by light standards illuminating the outside oval. Me being a newbie at these things, I got visions of walking away from my smoldering 930 - nicely wrapped around said light pole. No such problem on a runway! I sure hope I can make some of your events next year.

Thx for the vid.

I was thinking of strapping another camera on the side of the car. Kinda worried though its gonna go flying!!!!

The course is setup at an old runway used by the armed forces. The military police come and setup the radar gun for us as well. Its quite fun actually. If you want speeds reached..... PM me.

That air base would be such a nice setup for a road course.

I just wish someone in western canada would build a decent road course..... I can't get my speed fix in the 4-5 months of driving around here.

On the one stretch I hit top of 3rd and I am usually tempted to throw it into 4th.

I may bump the boost this last event coming up...... and really scare myself.

The course is definitely a power course....... The 930 would enjoy it !! .........well maybe for a couple of tight high speed turns.......... that back end will really want to come around.

See if you can come up next year.

[Zero10]

Race city's road course is pretty decent. In my 951 I hit 240-250kph on the front straight. However, you need to go to an event where they have rented the entire road course, not just the south end, like for a lapping day. I honestly get close to running out 5th gear, but then I have to brake for turn 1

It's usually about $125-$200 for a night/day (respectively), but it's freaking worth it. I go to every single one that I can.

[zehnd]

Wow talk about wide open spaces. We have a large lot, but not large enough to get over 50 mph.

A venue I wouldn't mind trying though, maybe next year.

BTW nothing like the sound of a 951.

[Zero10]

Haha, yeah, it's pretty sweet to let the 951 wind up to such high speeds. Once you go 250kph on a track, you will understand why you should never street race...

Should come out for a lapping day. Usually they're a saturday, and they open the track at 8AM, and you can run until either 4PM or 5PM, depends on how long they get the track for. I've gone through 3 tanks of gas in one day on the track before, lol.

[zehnd]

I do make it out to Cowtown at least once a year to visit relatives, and my brother has a car trailer, hmmmmm. Have to think about that for next year.

[Zero10]

Car trailer? Just drive it out there

In my 86 N/A, I was still hitting 200kph or so on the front straight, if well maintained and stock, your 83 should do about the same, it's a blast. Besides, there's only about 3 corners where you can do any damage to your car if you go off the track. I've mowed the lawn on #1, #2 and #3 before

[anaphe]

Your speeds are very optimistic for the end of the straight at Race City.

An e46 M3 will hit 225-235kms/hr at the end of the straight.

The e30 M3 race cars driven by Hogarth / coleman and Kuhnlein barely break 200.

If you are hitting 240-250K that is one seriously modded 951. I doubt an S would hit that fast.

My vinatge car hits 190-195 if I really nail it.

A friends GT3 Car hits 220 and laps 1:25s

[Zero10]

If you make a decent entry onto the front straight, it's not too hard.
I was running 23psi of boost though, that might have something to do with it. I'd imagine a stock 951 should be over 200 easily.

However, my NA was still doing about 185 at the end of the front straight, and I was entering the straight going 30-40 slower than I can in the 951. Besides, my N/A was pretty slow, and ran the softest stock suspension possible, since it was primarily a DD.

[anaphe]

Yes it is all dependant on a decent entrance onto the straight but 185 is considerably different then 200 and 250 is seriously different then 200.

Also while the egress from turn 11 effects your distance significantly most cars run out of HP faster then room at the end of the straight.

Sounds like your 951 is quite fast. What kind of lap times do you do?

My 1974 BMW 2002 Alpina runs in the 132's and only hits 195KM at the end of the straight. It has full street trim but sports a 175HP hemi motor with 4 throttle injection and alpina suspension. Would love to know what kind of times your car does.

Any word of Race City for next year?

[Zero10]

My speedo read over 260kph, so my 250kph figure is estimated/corrected, I figure maybe 5% error at those kind of numbers?...
I have no idea on my lap times. Unfortunately, I have only run the full course at 'fun' events, and although I had a passenger with a stopwatch at the last event, a clutch fork pin failure took me back into the pits after less than 3 laps, before I even had my passenger timing me, since I was still 'warming up'.
To be honest, each lap feels like maybe 30 seconds because it's such a blast, there is no way I could estimate a lap time, lol.

My 951 will no longer be as fast as it was, since I learned the hard way that I can't afford to play in the HP range I was in.
I was running 23psi of boost on unknown chips, an unhooked wastegate etc. I didn't know about a lot of this stuff, since I was told it was a 'well sorted, very fast car', but as soon as I found out, and learned the implications of it all, I turned everything I could back to stock. I can't afford a MAF, bigger turbo, stand-alone management, etc which I would need to keep those boost levels, so I have to run stock-ish. However, I am working on a spare motor with a 9.6:1 CR that will run 15psi, that should be a blast I'm hopeful for 300-330hp with a nice flat torque curve on that beast.

Anyhoo, all of that said, my 951 still has the M474 suspension, with bilstein's on the back, and handles like a dream, so despite my recent HP loss, I think it will still break 200kph easily

Just curious, but what does your BMW weigh?
My 86 N/A at ~3300lbs with about 145-150hp, was making an indicated 195-200 at the end of the straight, so maybe 180-something? (185?...), that was on a mushy suspension too. However, the one time I broke 200kph on the speedometer, I ended up mowing the grass, since I let it wander a little bit outside on #1 trying to widen my turning radius to help me carry more speed, and brought it right out onto the marbles
Oh well, at least I saw the cars behind me go by 3 or 4 times before all the grass started flying..... I'm just lucky it went off straight after all that spinning, so I didn't roll. Once I pried my fingers off of the steering wheel, and realized that nothing bad really happened, it fired right back up However, I did spend almost 30 minutes in the track picking weeds and chunks of dirt out from under my car and inside of my wheels, lol. I got it up to ~110-120 on the remainder of that lap, and man did it ever shake!

Also, I definately agree with your 185 is different from 200 is different from 250 statement. It takes an exponentially rising amount of power (and conversely braking power/traction) to bring your speeds up by a linear amount. Until around the 150kph mark the exponential function is relatively linear and flat because of the nice long straight-away we have, and the (somewhat) gentle turn #1, but after 150kph it starts to go up fast. So, the difference from 185 to 200 is nowhere near the difference from 200 to 215, etc. I completely get your point

All of that said, if there are any lapping days next year (which according to Art McKenzie there won't be, but we'll see) you should come out with your BMW 2002, it would be fun to run with somebody who I somewhat know (even if it's just from 3 posts on a bulletin board)

[anaphe]

My 2002 weighs about 2400 lbs and dyno'ed @ 145 at the rear wheels on a mustang dyno. Car is probably in the 170-175HP range.

The car is very well sorted up to a point. It features all of the period Alpina tuning goodies including suspension, drivetrain and injection but without modifying or re-engineering it is as good as it is going to get. An example of this is my classic 3 wheels on the ground and one rear wheel off when navigating the cut-off road during the Porsche Club and Miata club autocrosses. Not great for times or the very rare Alpina Limited slip diff.

That being said the car is still faster then the driver and I am usually in the top 10 cars at the Porsche club events (often against much new and $$$ cars from Stuttgart. At the last 2 Miata club events my car posted I was fastest once and runner up to a very fast RSX.

The car is very fun and carries a lot of speed through the corners if not a bit loose in the rear.

A bunch of us rented the track last year for a private evening. If Art allows it we intend to do it again 2 or 3 times for a private evening of 10-15 runs each with some helpful ribbing and instruction form the more experienced guys in the group. You should come.

I will be very disapointed if there is no road racing this year as I have been working on a vintage racer that will be ready for the WCMA licensing school in the spring
www.alberta02.com

[ae1969]

Hey anaphe........

You should come up to Edmonton next year.......

We have a guy who just did a 328 swap into his 80's 325.... full racing gear etc... NASTY car.... FUN FUN FUN.

My car had a little mishap since this video........ but I am looking at having a faster car for next year.

The new one with stand alone and a little more boost will easily be eclipsing 350rwhp (underestimating) ...... I am gunning for those 996 turbos on our course....

[Zero10]

I will be nothing short of crushed if there is to be no facility rentals this year as well. That is about the worst thing Art could ever do. I am a huge fan of the lapping days that Track Techniques puts on, and plan to attend every one next summer.

Honestly, I'm surprised that the 2002 only reaches those speeds on the front straight. How is the torque curve on it? That is a very light car. I wish I could get my 951 down to 2400lbs, but since it needs to be comfortable, and streetable as well, it will never happen. Like you, I have the problem with the car being MUCH faster than the driver, part of which has been remedied by it's return to a mostly-stock condition, but still, I know that I need a lot more practice.

If you guys are able to get any lapping days next year I'd definately be in

[61sktnbug]

wow! are courses here are not like that at all , is that at nameo base? i took a driving scholl there in early spring , the courses where nothing like that!

[ae1969]

Originally posted by 61sktnbug
wow! are courses here are not like that at all , is that at nameo base? i took a driving scholl there in early spring , the courses where nothing like that!

Yup thats namao...

The ASA run events keep you from going out of second gear.



ASA usually uses one strip and goes to the end and comes back on the same side. TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN stop TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN gas TURN TURN gas.............. stop. End of run

[61sktnbug]

Originally posted by ae1969
Yup thats namao...

The ASA run events keep you from going out of second gear.



ASA usually uses one strip and goes to the end and comes back on the same side. TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN stop TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN TURN gas TURN TURN gas.............. stop. End of run

that was a pca event?

[ae1969]

Originally posted by 61sktnbug
that was a pca event?

The video was pca at namao...


ASA at namao..........is turn..turn..turn... etc