Yet another needless shooting

[Por_sha911]

How many more innocent lives will be tragically ruined due to another shooting by a law abiding citizen legally owning and using a gun to protect their family?

Texas mom shoots man trying to take car with her kids inside at gas station: 'I hope that woke him up' | Fox News

When will we care more about the criminals than our own selfish desire to protect our family?

[kach22i]

I'm glad the loaded gun in the glove box thing worked out for her, it typically doesn't.

2017
Man Arrested After 5-Year-Old Son Fatally Shoots Himself With Gun Left In Glove Box
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jamal-todman-negligence-son-gun_us_5a3ac313e4b0b0e5a79f3cc4

2015
Pinellas toddler finds his father's gun, kills himself

Kevin Ahles had left his 2-year-old son, Kaleb, in the front seat of the car and returned to carrying boxes in preparation for a family move to Hernando County. Kaleb somehow crawled across the seat and opened the glove compartment, where his father kept a .380-caliber handgun, deputies said.

Kaleb then lifted the gun, turned it so that it faced his chest and squeezed the trigger.

2012
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boy-3-fatally-shoots-self-in-car-at-gas-station/

(AP) SEATTLE - A 3-year-old boy fatally shot himself with a gun he found in a car while his family stopped for gas early Wednesday in Tacoma, police said. It was western Washington's third recent shooting by a child..................

The shooting follows the death of the 7-year-old daughter of a Marysville police officer in Stanwood on Saturday when a sibling found a gun and fired while the parents were out of their car. And on Feb. 22, an 8-year-old girl was critically wounded in a Bremerton classroom when a gun fired inside the backpack of a 9-year-old boy as he put it on a desk................

In Saturday's shooting, off-duty Marysville police Officer Derek Carlile had parked the family van near Stanwood City Hall, and he and his wife were out of the vehicle when one of their children found the loaded gun and fired. The shot hit 7-year-old Jenna Carlile, and the girl, the oldest of their four children, died Sunday at a Seattle hospital.

The 8-year-old Bremerton girl, Amina Kocer-Bowman, remained in serious condition at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle after nearly dying in the accidental shooting at Armin Jahr Elementary, where a classmate brought a handgun to class. Authorities believe the boy took the .45-caliber gun from the glove compartment of a car while visiting his mother and her boyfriend at their home. He lives with an uncle.

[GH85Carrera]

The first word in the link tells all. TEXAS mom.

Give her a medal. She can be so happy she did not live in so many gun unfriendly states, she would be in jail right now.

The recent case in Oklahoma City where an armed bad guy started shooting and wounded a mom and daughter and random had a happy ending. Two men that did not know each other or anything except a bad man with a gun was going to kill innocent people went back to different cars, and they got their guns and killed the bad guy. The DA has looked at the evidence, and announce no charges at all. Case closed.

[gordner]

Kach, do you really think two examples you dredge up make it "typical" that a gun in a glove box doesn't work out well?
Pause and think for a second....how many cars in the USA have a gun on board somewhere? I would be willing to be there are enough to render your two examples statistically irrelevant. I would be willing to be there are enough to render a thousand such examples statistically irrelevant.
I am not saying you should carry a gun in a car that regularly has kids in it, to me that is a straight up dumb idea. Do you post this crap in the hopes some are as superficial as you in perusing news stories? Looking only on the surface to see if it jives with their inherent bias well enough to propagate to other gullible idiots?

[rfuerst911sc]

Looks like they need to outlaw lions in Africa , I love that the poachers became supper


https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/2b6f5076-8740-34e9-8711-b9692d196f47/ss_%27gang%27-of-rhino-poachers.html

[masraum]

Originally Posted by gordner

Kach, do you really think two examples you dredge up make it "typical" that a gun in a glove box doesn't work out well?
Pause and think for a second....how many cars in the USA have a gun on board somewhere? I would be willing to be there are enough to render your two examples statistically irrelevant. I would be willing to be there are enough to render a thousand such examples statistically irrelevant.
I am not saying you should carry a gun in a car that regularly has kids in it, to me that is a straight up dumb idea. Do you post this crap in the hopes some are as superficial as you in perusing news stories? Looking only on the surface to see if it jives with their inherent bias well enough to propagate to other gullible idiots?

I'll bet the parents of the dead kids don't think their kids are statistically irrelevant. I'm pro-gun, but wow, that statement was a real zinger.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Looks like they need to outlaw lions in Africa , I love that the poachers became supper


https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/2b6f5076-8740-34e9-8711-b9692d196f47/ss_%27gang%27-of-rhino-poachers.html

That is a great story. Good job lions. Leave the remains for the hyenas.

[scottmandue]

I'm also pro gun but not sure about guns in cars... sometimes road rage+gun=very bad outcome.

And road rage isn't always about some a-hole, never know if someone just jumped in the car after a big hairy argument with their wife or boss.

[GG Allin]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I'm glad the loaded gun in the glove box thing worked out for her, it typically doesn't.

Or, you just don't hear about every time one is used in self defense.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by masraum

I'll bet the parents of the dead kids don't think their kids are statistically irrelevant. I'm pro-gun, but wow, that statement was a real zinger.

I didn't see where he said the dead kids were statistically irrelevant. I did see where he stated the examples provided were not statistically relevant, IOW the results were an abnormality. Unusual. Not typical. Not to be expected. Not likely, apples to oranges, etc.

His argument was reasonable.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by gordner

Kach, do you really think two examples you dredge up make it "typical" that a gun in a glove box doesn't work out well?
Pause and think for a second....how many cars in the USA have a gun on board somewhere? I would be willing to be there are enough to render your two examples statistically irrelevant. I would be willing to be there are enough to render a thousand such examples statistically irrelevant.
I am not saying you should carry a gun in a car that regularly has kids in it, to me that is a straight up dumb idea. Do you post this crap in the hopes some are as superficial as you in perusing news stories? Looking only on the surface to see if it jives with their inherent bias well enough to propagate to other gullible idiots?

Well put. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

How many more innocent lives will be tragically ruined due to another shooting by a law abiding citizen legally owning and using a gun to protect their family?

Texas mom shoots man trying to take car with her kids inside at gas station: 'I hope that woke him up' | Fox News

When will we care more about the criminals than our own selfish desire to protect our family?

Unfortunately, the state of Texas will most likely have to cover his hospital bills.

[BeyGon]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

Unfortunately, the state of Texas will most likely have to cover his hospital bills.

hope it's all while he is in jail.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by gordner

Kach, do you really think two examples you dredge up make it "typical" that a gun in a glove box doesn't work out well?

I'm sure that most guns in a glove box just sit there unused.

Originally Posted by gordner

Pause and think for a second....how many cars in the USA have a gun on board somewhere? I would be willing to be there are enough to render your two examples statistically irrelevant.

You would lose such a bet, most firearms are used on family members on purpose or by accident, with suicide being the most frequent application. This includes firearms stored in glove boxes as the more than two examples I posted illustrate.

Originally Posted by gordner

I am not saying you should carry a gun in a car that regularly has kids in it, to me that is a straight up dumb idea.

You sure do seem to be promoting that idea by posting this incident and proclaiming it as a "selfish desire to protect our family".

I own guns, I am not anti-gun, I am anti-stupid.

If someone actually has a "selfish desire to protect their family" then they will keep their firearm on their person or restrict access to children, and possibly lock them up unloaded when not in use.

[Eric 951]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I am anti-stupid.

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That self-loathing must be terrible.

[Tidybuoy]

I don't own any guns but I probably will some day.

Regarding the keeping of the gun in the glovebox...Do hand gun have safetys that are child proof? And, in this particular case, both kids were in the back seat, both were young enough that that were probably in car seats. I'm assuming it would be difficult for the kids to gain access to the gun in the glove box.

Regardless, the person responsible was the guy that attempted to carjack the car that had small children in it and he learned the hard way - good job mom!

[fred cook]

Sound to me that the would be carjacker got (most) of what he deserved. He's just lucky that she didn't keep pulling the trigger until it went click, click, click! Some people are simply a waste of skin and air! If it happened to me, I would not be as nice as she was!

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Tidybuoy

.Do hand gun have safetys that are child proof?

These days, many guns don't really have a traditional safety. Something like a Glock usually doesn't have a traditional safety. What they have is a "button" on the trigger such that if you pull the trigger, you've disabled the safety. Even traditional safeties aren't child-proof.

And, in this particular case, both kids were in the back seat, both were young enough that that were probably in car seats. I'm assuming it would be difficult for the kids to gain access to the gun in the glove box.

I'd say that in pretty much all cases (probably all, but I won't assume to know that there couldn't be the 1 in a million or billion) a big part of the responsibility lies with the gun owner that had a gun in a place that a child could get to it, even if it was just an odd set of circumstances (the perfect storm) that lead to the child gaining access.

Regardless, the person responsible was the guy that attempted to carjack the car that had small children in it and he learned the hard way - good job mom!

Absolutely, I'd say that despite the possible safety issue that may have existed, this case absolutely gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Eric 951

That self-loathing must be terrible.

I don't care who you are or who it was directed at, that there was just too funny.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I'm sure that most guns in a glove box just sit there unused.


You would lose such a bet, most firearms are used on family members on purpose or by accident, with suicide being the most frequent application. This includes firearms stored in glove boxes as the more than two examples I posted illustrate.


You sure do seem to be promoting that idea by posting this incident and proclaiming it as a "selfish desire to protect our family".

I own guns, I am not anti-gun, I am anti-stupid.

If someone actually has a "selfish desire to protect their family" then they will keep their firearm on their person or restrict access to children, and possibly lock them up unloaded when not in use.

Most firearms? Really? We must all be dead then considering the number of firearms in this country.

Syntax, important it is.