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masraum 10-31-2018 11:53 AM

That's basically what I had except mine was a 20* model.

LWJ 10-31-2018 11:57 AM

I really like the scary sharp method. I use old chunks of granite counter top and varying grits of emery paper.

Cheap and probably sharper than a machine.

I touch up with a steel every now and then.

mepstein 10-31-2018 02:54 PM

Guy who owns Chefs Choice is a Porsche guy. Lives nearby. I met him 30 years ago when I needed some parts for a 914. He was building a GT replica. I'm pretty sure he has a 911 now.

Por_sha911 10-31-2018 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 10234502)
I think that since he already has the knives, choice of steel is not relevant.
For the same steel a 15 degree bevel will be sharper than a 20 degree bevel but it will dull sooner with heavy use.
For kitchen knives 15 degrees will do nicely.
I might be wrong but I think porsha911 is not a knife buff like we are. :)

Bingo! I have a decent set of knives in the butcher block (some Wustof some lesser quality) but I just want to keep them sharp without going through a zen ritual. I have managed to have the mrs use cutting boards, keep them out of the dishwasher, hand wash and dry off immediately. I have tried using stones but just can't get that super sharp edge I would like. The are used for food prep but I'm thinking 20* since some may not be the best of the best steel. I have used a sharpening steel to finish the edge and the results are hit and miss.

GWN7 10-31-2018 04:44 PM

Bought one of these after the last knife sharpener thread we had on here. Very happy with the unit.

https://www.amazon.com/Presto-Eversharp-Electric-Kitchen-Sharpener/dp/B01D8UD5P0

Evans, Marv 10-31-2018 09:03 PM

I have mostly a collection of run of the mill but decent kitchen knives. When they get ruined or have served their useful lives, I buy new ones. In between times I keep them sharp enough for decent kitchen use. Obviously I'm not as strict about them as lots of you are. I bought a set of 1x30 knife sharpening belts (Amazon) that came with a leather stropping belt. I keep one installed on my 1x30 belt sander in the garage. When my knives get to where they need dressed, I hit them lightly with a fine grit belt & maybe strop them occassionally.

Danimal16 10-31-2018 09:41 PM

I really prefer wetstones. If you hone the blade between use you don't have to sharpen them that much. Also, wood or Epicurean cutting boards only. Anything else kills an edge. Now if you want to do some catch up work, send them to a pro. I like these guys a whole lot, and they can do Global knives as well: https://www.seattleknifesharpening.com

Gogar 10-31-2018 10:00 PM

I have a chefs choice and it is fine; you need to follow the directions.

Learn how to do a steel properly and often and you’re good to go.

vash 11-01-2018 08:21 AM

i'm a purist.

but there is no denying that work sharp thing is pretty effective. if you go that route, there is a guy on Etsy, or Ebay that makes a leather belt for it. just rub on some rouge, and strop the blade with that. total scalpel.
i'm a actually buying the belt for my brother as a stocking stuffer this year. he is embarrasing me as a sibling with his knife sharpening skills. i dont even know how we are related. :)

jyl 11-01-2018 08:29 AM

The test, so I'm told, is to place knife on table with blade edge pointing up, drop a cherry* tomato on edge, the fruit should slice itself in half and fall dead on the table, instead of bouncing away and living to fall another day. If your knife can't accomplish this, you are but a grasshopper.

* cherry, not larger. Anyone can do this with some obese over-ripe heirloom.

vash 11-01-2018 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 10235958)
The test, so I'm told, is to place knife on table with blade edge pointing up, drop a cherry* tomato on edge, the fruit should slice itself in half and fall dead on the table, instead of bouncing away and living to fall another day. If your knife can't accomplish this, you are but a grasshopper.

* cherry, not larger. Anyone can do this with some obese over-ripe heirloom.

i cut a tomato. put the cut side down on the board. then cut from the top..cut subsequent slices off the top with just the knife. no hands.

the student has become the master.

Paul_Heery 11-01-2018 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by vash (Post 10236118)
i cut a tomato. put the cut side down on the board. then cut from the top..cut subsequent slices off the top with just the knife. no hands.

If you are not using any hands, what do you hold the knife with?:p

scottmandue 11-01-2018 11:36 AM

i can dig the zen of hand sharpening, my dad taught me how to use a wet stone.

But truth be told I'm way too lazy and the chef's choice get my knifes scary sharp, maybe nor Ronco drop a tomato on the blade sharp but cut though anything in the kitchen like butter sharp.

masraum 11-01-2018 11:40 AM

something like this

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LqiwNgl47fA" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/GTHD2J2za6Y?start=42" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

vash 11-01-2018 12:46 PM

thanks Masraum.

yup like that!

PRO-TIP: when you get a knife there; it will do you no-good to go and wake up your sleeping wife, get her to come into the kitchen to show her this. does no good whatsoever. unless you like eye rolling. :D and mumbling.

masraum 11-01-2018 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vash (Post 10236328)
it will do you no-good to go and wake up your sleeping wife, get her to come into the kitchen to show her this. does no good whatsoever. unless you like eye rolling. :D and mumbling.

If that's all you get (mumbling and eye rolling) then you're doing pretty good.

Zeke 11-01-2018 03:18 PM

I can go through the knife holder and sharpen them all and in a week or 2, depending on which have been used by my wife, not be able to cut your finger by sliding gently. We have filet knives, French cooking knives, paring knives and some others. She buys cheap serrated knives. I hide my favorites.

As a carpenter I have learned to sharpen plane irons to cut across end grain. That's the slice-the-tomato-free-hand equivalent.

masraum 11-01-2018 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10236544)
I can go through the knife holder and sharpen them all and in a week or 2, depending on which have been used by my wife, not be able to cut your finger by sliding gently. We have filet knives, French cooking knives, paring knives and some others. She buys cheap serrated knives. I hide my favorites.

As a carpenter I have learned to sharpen plane irons to cut across end grain. That's the slice-the-tomato-free-hand equivalent.

We want the video of you slicing the tomato with the hand plane!

rfuerst911sc 11-02-2018 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 10236558)
We want the video of you slicing the tomato with the hand plane!

That's pretty damn funny right there !

wdfifteen 11-02-2018 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 10235510)

Learn how to do a steel properly and often and you’re good to go.

Yep. Set the pointy end of the steel down on your cutting board and draw the knife down the length of it 2-3 times on each side at an angle that is a little steeper than the cutting angle (of 15 or 20 degrees). Do it every time or two that you use the knife. You are not trying to sharpen the knife, just push the "feathers" back into place.
Don't feel like you have two whip it around like the chefs do on TV. You just mess it up unless you are VERY good.


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