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vash 11-02-2018 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10237054)
Yep. Set the pointy end of the steel down on your cutting board and draw the knife down the length of it 2-3 times on each side at an angle that is a little steeper than the cutting angle (of 15 or 20 degrees). Do it every time or two that you use the knife. You are not trying to sharpen the knife, just push the "feathers" back into place.
Don't feel like you have two whip it around like the chefs do on TV. You just mess it up unless you are VERY good.

Perfect technique for me. It’s also the safest. (For me)

I only do this with my German knives. I strop the rest.

flipper35 11-02-2018 09:14 AM

You can use the steel and just strop after sharpening.

Any knife can be sharpened to cut the tomato like that, it is just a fine edge that doesn't do well in most kitchens.

The worst abuse are steak knives because you are cutting on a hard plate.

vash 11-02-2018 09:41 AM

Steaks are supposed to be tender and easy to cut. :)

Hence the cheap ass serrated steak knife. Nobody sharpens a steak knife, right?

vash 11-02-2018 09:44 AM

This morning I hit a cleaver with some Cooking spray. I wiped the excess.

I laid it down flat and wiped. I kid you not. It shaved a thin wafer of paper towel off the sheet about the size of a nickel. It might be too sharp at this point.

masraum 11-02-2018 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by vash (Post 10237235)
It might be too sharp at this point.

No such thing...

And why are you just sharpening the blade at the point. Sharpen the whole thing. ;) :D

flipper35 11-02-2018 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by vash (Post 10237231)
Steaks are supposed to be tender and easy to cut. :)

Hence the cheap ass serrated steak knife. Nobody sharpens a steak knife, right?

I hate serrated steak knives, especially if the steak is tender, which ours always are! :D

madcorgi 11-02-2018 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 10237235)
This morning I hit a cleaver with some Cooking spray. I wiped the excess.

I laid it down flat and wiped. I kid you not. It shaved a thin wafer of paper towel off the sheet about the size of a nickel. It might be too sharp at this point.

I agree with mausram there's no such thing as too sharp.

That said, I'm slowly phasing out the crappy knives and stocking up on a variety of really nice knives--including a really beautiful Zwilling Bob Kramer and a couple Miyabis. When and if I have to use one of the old knives, I have to mentally readjust to a duller blade. IMO, you get cut more using a dull blade than a sharp one.

vash 11-02-2018 12:29 PM

Yea. I was being sarcastic. I love sharp knives.

wdfifteen 11-05-2018 08:16 AM

I found my knife sharpener! Haven't seen it since we moved in January. Today is the day.
I decided to science the f**K out of this, and got out my dissecting microscope to take some before and after looks at the knives. This chef's knife is my go-to for 90% of what I do in the kitchen.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541437886.jpg

The set tup.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541437886.jpg

I hope this makes sense. This is an iPhone shot through one of the eyepieces. I am amazed I was able to take this. the knife is in the lower part of the photo, knife edge in the middle, and the microscope table can be seen in the top 1/2.
This blade obviously needs some work. That chip is tiny, but it has to go!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541437886.jpg

I think this shows that I have not been diligent about applying the steel to the knife. I think that tiny white line of the very edge is the feather - the thin, weak part of the blade that gets pushed out of shape with use. The steel is supposed to push this back in line with the rest of the blade when it gets bent. No push and eventually it breaks off.

wdfifteen 11-05-2018 08:30 AM

So:

I drew the knife across the steel, 4 times on each side.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541438929.jpg

The feather is gone. BUT

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541438929.jpg

In the center of the photo you can kind of see a microscopic curl of steel coming off the blade.

vash 11-05-2018 08:42 AM

that's wild!!

and owning a microscope would ruin knife ownership for me :)..i would obsess.

wdfifteen 11-05-2018 09:34 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541442578.JPG

This is the sharpener I use.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541442578.jpg

After using the shaping belt (4 strokes on each side) it looked really rough. What have I done to my knife?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541442578.jpg

Four strokes on the coarse sharpening belt and it looked a little better.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541442578.jpg

Four strokes on the fine sharpening belt and it looked finished to me. It felt really sharp.

vash 11-05-2018 09:37 AM

wd..for sure. order the leather strop belt for your worksharp. it's takes it to the next level.

wdfifteen 11-05-2018 12:25 PM

That last picture was the wrong one, so I deleted it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541452940.jpg

This is the correct picture of the honed edge. I gave it 8 strokes on the honing belt. Looks good, nice and straight, no chips, and it feels sharp.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541452940.jpg

For grins I look a picture of a serrated bread knife that never sees the steel. You can see how the sharp edge folds over. It gets worse and worse and then breaks off in chunks if you don't use the steel regularly.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541452940.jpg

More grins. This is one of our steak knives. The missing chunk is actually visible to the naked eye.

Paul_Heery 12-02-2018 02:35 AM

Amazon has a deal on the Ken Onion Sharpener today for $85.99

https://www.amazon.com/Work-Sharp-Knife-Sharpener-Onion/dp/B07CW4T6RS

David 01-13-2019 08:49 AM

The wife was a little miffed that I gave her this sharpener for Christmas. Now that all her knives are sharp, she’s sold. It only takes a couple minutes to go from dull to a razor sharp 15 degree edge. Two thumbs up.

Roswell 01-13-2019 09:08 AM

This:

https://www.edgeproinc.com

It is not cheap, but will last a life time. Something you can leave your kid.

And once mastered, your knives will never be sharper.

Geronimo '74 01-13-2019 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Roswell (Post 10315130)
This:

https://www.edgeproinc.com

It is not cheap, but will last a life time. Something you can leave your kid.

And once mastered, your knives will never be sharper.

There are clones on the market for a fraction of the price.

Roswell 01-13-2019 09:27 AM

They are clones. Euromaster or Fuchs? Matter of opinion.

Benjamin Franklin: The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten

No offense meant in any way, Geronimo.

Zeke 01-13-2019 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 10315136)
There are clones on the market for a fraction of the price.

That process is very comprehensive and rivals that of sharpening wood lathe turning tools.


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